Yes Toyota is the only one still being hard to tell. Hopefully they will see the benefit at some point as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
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Yes Toyota is the only one still being hard to tell. Hopefully they will see the benefit at some point as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
he wasnt champ when contract was signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
2003 Catalunya seems to be the last WRC event with the big clear numbers:
http://rallye-info.com/images/photos...a/petter_3.jpg
Then from 2003 Rally GB it was the small number with the rally name:
https://www.wrcwings.tech/wp-content...03-by-SWRT.jpg
Then again, as it was Adamo who had to seize Tänak from Toyota, it would have been a pretty silly move to risk everything just to make him take that number '1'.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
For me the numbering system or whatever number anyone has isn't really important let alone an issue.
Exactly my thought, rallying has more issues than some silly numbering system. Could not care less.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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4 Lappi
44 Greensmith
#7 was previously used by Pontus Tidemand in 2019Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
#96 Veiby
Like 69 - looks just the same when you park it on the roof! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Wait so does this (Ogier winning the title) we'll get to see that No. 1 on that car again next year?
yep if he wants
Please FIA, stop that stupid rule.
Back to numbers by merit... and big white square in doors.
#2 Oliver Solberg
#12 Janne Tuohino
#14 Nil Solans
No chance they'll stop it in time for next season in the next WMSC meeting on Friday, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I guess someone over at dirtfish heard us lol: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-i...e-carlo-entry/
Someone or many of them from DF are lurking on this forum so not a big surprise
I completely agree with Luke. I never understand why they implemented this stupid rule and I was always against it...
Marketing and brand creation reasons,Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Why do you think Block had permanent 43, or Pastrana 199? And many others from Nascar or Supercross
I understand that it was marketing purpose. But rallying is different world than circuits. Also community is different. Block was using 43 everywhere, not only in rallysport. It was part of his marketing. Same like for example Valentino Rossi. But I dont think anyone else in WRC has marketing based on the starting number. In rallysport always the best drivers were with small numbers, on the top of entry list. It is quite strange if you look at the entry list and it is not starting with 1-2-3-4-5, but with 69-8-11-33. It is not logical for fans of rallysport and not logical for "normal" people. If they go to watch the stages and they see car 33, they would like to look into entry list and find, who is it (driver, codriver, car). As the numbers are not in numerical order, they need to look through and try to find it. And one thing which was logical for all - fans and also casual - number 1 was always reserved for current champion. Now it looks like there is no champion from previous year. Or it looks like he is not proud of being champion...Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
All numbering systems have their flaws.
Traditionally the door number was the same as the running order, but the order is changed on overnight rest halts anyway, and in today's WRC the starting order is based on the current points score.
In 1995 the team numbers were introduced, but then a team possibly had an extra car, so the team cars were for example 1, 2, and 11. Also there was no separation between the team numbers and the rest numbered normally. Like now you have always WRC2 starting at 20 etc.
I personally don't care that much.
It's still a quite new thing so strong brands haven't been built yet. But Kalle has some KR69 merch at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Like I said, the running order gets shuffled anyway on long rallies. Or then the entry list is printed (or listed in ewrc-results) according to the actual starting order at the start of the rally so it's easy to follow the list regardless of the actual numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Yes, starting order is shuffled. But if you are at the stage and car 33 is going around you, no matter what is the starting order, if you look into the entry list, it is easier to find who is starting with number 33 if he is listed between 32 and 34 instead of between 11 and 18...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
We're only talking about Rally1 of WRC, you seriously think normal people are still thumbing through the program to see who came past?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I think the same of Pluto and Luke.
WRC has bigger issues than door numbers and I personally prefer that new personalised system but don't really care if it is changed because it doesn't add or ruin my experience in any case.
soon people will google "rally car 69" more than checking entry list, especially passers-by, bystanders at ceremonial start in town, sss and tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
If you will google "rally car 69" or the most known brand "rally car 43", what will you find?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
I liked the 2002 version the best: each team had 3 numbers resered for the cars nominated to score manufacturers points that made it very clear who the main crews were. That being said, numbers are less and less important, they are less prominent on the car, not sure how easy they are to see when the car flys past, if the drivers can build a brand with the fixed numbers fine by me.
EDIT: to clarify in 2002 the numbers were 3 in sequence, unlike previous years, so Peugeot had 1-2-3, Ford had 4-5-6 and so on.
atm: not that much with 69, ken block with 43. it will grow fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
main socials has already 1000+ contents each with #kr69, #tn11, #ee33 (even #gg44 has nearly 800)
pr wise has more potential than changing every year or every race...
That would suggest there's something wrong with the current hack where you can read Kalle Rovanpera's name next to the number on the side of the car and say; oh look honey, it's Kalle Rovanpera, no need to look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Sorry chaps, it's OK to feel nostalgic or whatever it is your going through but this argument is utter nonsense.
Even without names and roof vent flags visible, you see a photo of #69 from the recent era you know it's Rovenpera. Who wants to have to be a detective to find out?
It is nice when they try to follow the permanent numbers also out of WRC. If you look to entry list to Otepää Talveralli, biggest star on the first sight is Jourdan Serderidis with number 1 :)