I think Pirelli will be sponsor and provide tires only for JWRC and not for the other categories.
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I think Pirelli will be sponsor and provide tires only for JWRC and not for the other categories.
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Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Amen. With shorter gaps between legs and remote tire service between loops, instead repeated visits to service park, most of current 300/350 ss kms events (not just Sweden and Finland) could be run in just 2 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Besides more compact sprint events, I’d add not 2 but 4 big ‘Grand Slam’ old school rallys (4 to 5 days, 500 to 600 ss kms): MC; GB; NZ and Argentina.
For sure it won’t happen, as old days are long gone and no one can actually say WRC is living bad times (quite the opposite), still hearing Mahonen arguments on Wales Rally makes me sad about the future.
Wales second leg was one of the most entertaining days of recent years (for fans at home and even more for those spectating, like the luckiest of you mentioned). Leg started at 6am and finished after 8pm, breaking the boring 9 to 5 WRC routine; no service between first and second loop, saving drivers from long travels to service park and shortening time gaps between stage passes; at the end, no pointless SSS but two real night stages, adding fantastic excitement to the event!
Yes, second leg without even a tire service on first loops was a bit extreme and having only 40 SS kms on Sunday is embarrassing (besides screwing the 25% average), but ’17 Wales itinerary should be praised as a valid experience with positive lessons for the future, instead of being disapproved in such a short minded way.
Btw, the empty hours service park argument is BS; for a long time VIP’s are also taken to stages to feel the real thing and they love it; for the general public, an hour or two visiting evening service is more than enough for them.
Let's look at this closerQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Actually there were stages from 7:55 to 12:37, then a long gap with just one super special (yes, a pointless SSS), and then again two stages from 18:55 to 19:47. And there was a service between the two legs, before the two night stages. In the end it's just a normal day of 2x4 stages just divided differently.Quote:
SS 8 Aberhirnant 1 13.91km 07:55
SS 9 Dyfnant 1 17.91km 08:47
SS 10 Gartheiniog 1 12.61km 09:59
SS 11 Dyfi 1 25.86km 10:28
SS 12 Gartheiniog 2 12.61km 12:08
SS 13 Dyfi 2 25.86km 12:37
SS 14 Cholmondeley Castle 1.80km 15:48
Service E (Deeside) 16:55
SS 15 Aberhirnant 2 13.91km 18:55
SS 16 Dyfnant 2 17.91km 19:47
Service F (Deeside) 22:26
A better example of a proper day of rallying was the Friday of Rally Finland, with continuous stages from 7:12 to 11:42 (basically as long as the first part of the Wales Saturday) and then from 15:00 to 20:30, 12 in total.
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SS 2 Halinen 1 7.65km 07:12
SS 3 Urria 1 12.75km 07:45
SS 4 Jukojärvi 1 21.31km 08:48
SS 5 Halinen 2 7.65km 10:06
SS 6 Urria 2 12.75km 10:39
SS 7 Jukojärvi 2 21.31km 11:42
Service B (Jyväskylä - Paviljonki) 13:37
SS 8 Äänekoski ‐ Valtra 1 7.39km 15:00
SS 9 Laukaa 1 11.76km 16:13
SS 10 Lankamaa 21.68km 17:11
SS 11 Äänekoski ‐ Valtra 2 7.39km 18:09
SS 12 Laukaa 2 11.76km 19:22
SS 13 Harju 2 2.31km 20:30
Wrong :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rage82
Mate, Wales 2nd leg started at 6.10am (first car service) and it ended after 10pm (not after 8, like I’ve mentioned); SS8, 9, 10 and 11 are a loop, therefore it's right to say there was no service between initial loops; only between second loop (after SS14 to be more precise), and night stages. For sure a shorter break between SS14 and the late stages (adding one more night stage) would made it even more interesting, but overall, Wales organizers did a nice effort to put a different show on the road and they’ve succeeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Btw, taking Finland case as example isn’t fair at all; how many European WRC events have gravel stages on host city limits, like Jyvaskyla has? In most events crews spends 1 or 2 hours getting to gravel stages regions, meaning long travels to service park between loops and boring waiting hours for spectators. Apparently, Mahonen doesn’t care about it, so he can’t appreciate those, like Wales organizers, who try to minimize that issue.
Don´t think :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rage82
Their press release said that they will provide tyres to every category (WRC,WRC2,WRC3,JWRC and privateers)
You are right about Pirelli, I look now at their press release.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
I was misled maybe from this sentence:Not only that, but Pirelli also becomes exclusive supplier to the Junior World Rally Championship from next year.
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I enjoyed the SSS Rallyfest on Day 2 of Rally GB, as did many many thousands of fans.
But dragging the driver's from mid-Wales right across the English border for it (and then up to the SP) was a bit much.
Especially when they then had to drive back deep into Wales for the two night stages.
That one small spectator stage affects the entire leg on the Saturday. I'd question whether it's worth it. With the amount of people trekking into the forests maybe you could argue it's been working. Would be interesting to know what percentage of SSS goers head into the forests a year or two later for the 'proper rallying'. Or on the flip side you could say maybe it's no longer required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I didn't hear a single good word about Tir Prince from anyone who went, so not sure if that will be back.
The biggest headache for the organizers this year has been that the live stage on Saturday has to be at 12:08 which in the past was the time you usually were at service.
Yeah they should push that to later in the day, it makes Sunday's a bit ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
So is this instead of Citroen having to pay for a 3rd car themselves??Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Will be interesting to see how they utilise this car for sure. There was a rumour they'd run two cars plus PH Sport running a third. Let's see.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
That's weird if Citroen can score points with a car run by a different team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Colin Clark in twitter
Could be just Friday night fun and games but rumours swirling around this evening about a high level WRC management departure today! Seems that silly season may not be over yet!!!!
my guess is Citroen and Matton.
Mine aswell, hopefully it's just Matton :(Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Hope it's just Matton leaving Citroën.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
There were rumours he had applied for the job at FIA to replace Mahonen.
Maybe that’s why he’s leaving.
If it is Matton.
Time will tell.
Well then it's better than he stays where he is.. We don't need another mess-guy up there..Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Matton doesn't really deserve to keep his place at Citroen.
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Friday comes to the end and no news yet... I want good news for Citroen and bad for Matton :/
he has WTCC and WRC championship behind him so hard that he'll be booted
The last two years have seen numerous mistakes and failures from him. You don't get many chances in big high profile jobs, regardless of whatever success you achieved years and years ago. I think he'd be very fortunate if he ends up keeping his jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
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agree with you but if top citroen guys don't see it, what benefit is this talk
Very true. In fact the top Citroen bosses might even be aware of all the errors and bad decision making, but still decide to do nothing. Perhaps due to financial restrictions/lack of ambition etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
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Agree. Sunday's are basically a waste - approx 40km of stages....They could be run on a Saturday night. If you're going to have stages on a Sunday, then have some decent length, and move the Power stage later in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
I've always understood the need for standardisation; but I've never agreed with it - WRC should be varied formats, events, etc what works for 1 event, doesn't work for others. For example, Why can't the Monte run from Tuesday - Friday??
Because it would affect viewer/spectator figures and thus profits as not as many people can spend time to follow rally on workdays.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
So still no news about that departure of a high level WRC management, hopefully we'll know soon enough.
I know its little OT, but would it be possible to link this study, if it is possible? Study of impacts of rally events is one of my research topics, so it would be nice to have some study I haven´t seen yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Maybe it's just rumours, maybe not. All are betting on Matton getting out, maybe some other, but I gotta feeling that this is only about Mahonen and nothing else..Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Doesn't seem to affect cycling's 3 Grand Tours; and wasn't a problem in the recent past.....Why not give it a go? Le Mans has it's practice & qualifying on Weds/ Thurs afternoon/ evening....not a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
It is just a week per year. Here, in Fafe zone, employees had the week to follow the rally in the past.
I was at Le Mans in 2016, the entire week, and I can say that the crowd numbers kept increasing as the weekend got closer. And by race day it was completely different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
What would we gain by moving the rally out from the weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
EDIT: added in the quote I was thinking of.
it would satisfy the autism rage some people have... otherwise nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Organizers of Rallye Monte Carlo preferred to organize it during the week in the IRC-years.
More paying VIP audience, less beer drinking rally-fans. If rally ends saturday people can stay and have party in host city and go home in sunday, now when rally finish is sunday, you have to go work next morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Why all "village" events are held in saturday if sunday is as good ?
For television sunday is better but for live audience not.
Maybe in Finland Pante... In Belgium almost all smaller events are held on sunday (recce and scrutineering on saturday). ;) Some others are always held on a national holiday.
National events here are very different, some on saturday, some saturday + sunday (Wallonie, Condroz) or friday evening + saturday (Spa, Ypres, Omloop van Vlaanderen).
It's just fine that those events are held for weekend. Maybe some of us have jobs from mon-fri and this is perfect to attend or at least follow live... In my country all events are on friday and saturday, so always miss half the action.
The original quote suggested a rally to be run from tuesday to friday. No saturday at all. Are you sure those paying VIP customers don't go to work on weekdays?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex