Deal was made in July, signed later about month ago.
All speculation after that was just PR talk.
Now for M-Sport sake I hope Ogier stays!
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Deal was made in July, signed later about month ago.
All speculation after that was just PR talk.
Now for M-Sport sake I hope Ogier stays!
I would rather see that too... So Breen could have full programme. He really deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Sad as Ford and Latvala fan.
Happy as Tänak fan and Toyota sympathy ;)
As Juho big fan.... better wait to know more :/
I think Juho's career is ending. Toyota thanks him for everything he's done, his co-driver goes to work as Toyota's Sporting Director and he said a year ago in an interview that soon it's time to go back to farming full-time, and to spend time with his kids.
Maybe in few years he will get a call from new manufacturer to develop a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It´s good for Ott, because he will get a lot of money, but the Fiesta was made for him. Not be surprised if he is not able to find the same kind of speed with the Yaris straight away. He was talking to stay in the best team also next year. Without the doubt M-Sport is still the best team, so this was just bullshit :) Toyota is almost there, but not yet. There is still a lot of work to do to achieve M-Sport´s level...
Was thinking that Tommi will trust Jari-Matti and Esapekka, but after that it´s clear that their position is not so high anymore. Esapekka is now clearly the 3rd driver. Of course Tommi´s main target is to get Manufacturer´s title for Toyota and it´s possible with this kind of driver line-up.
Sad for Juho, but happy that he got at least one full season behind the wheel of the World Rally Car. Hopefully he will still drive a couple of events. Surely his testing work with the Toyota will continue.
Shame on Ford that they are totally lost! There was a possibility to keep Malcolm´s dream team together, but sadly Ford is American company and the board can not understand that now was the right time to make a decision to come back to the WRC full time. Maybe something is still going on, but it´s too late already :(
I don't understand Tanak's choise. We wants to fight for the title next year and he leaves M-Sport for Toyota???! No, i don't understand.
Money will help the situation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda
Maybe he know Ogier stays? With Ogier in same team nobody has real chances to fight for title, not due to skills, bud because name. Loeb did that (maybe not on purpose) on Ogier, now Ogier on everybody else. And Tanak don't want to stay in Ogier's shadow. Money also helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda
And he will be closer to home... He have a little child to take care of. And to raise a future star of motorsport.
Don't underestimate Toyota! They did a lot better then everybody expected. With that 1 year experience, they will be very close!
What's hard to understand? He saw the millions €€€€Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda
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of course money is a big part because he has a family he has to take care of. So far he drove for nothing, this year Wilson paid him but that money was nothing what Wilson is paying to Ogier...
There's also the development factor. Tänak must know that M-Sport has no budget for same development as Toyota. In 2017 Fiesta might be the best car, but where are they in 2019?
If it's true that the contract was made in July, Tänak made his decision before seeing the string of technical failures on Latvala's car, and Toyota sacked Hänninen before he made three best results of his season (and his whole career).
What will be the team dynamics at TGR? To me it looks like they have three guys who are all aiming for the world title. Who can they tell to ease off and secure manufacturer points?
Lappi aiming for world title in 2018 is a bit of stretch.
According to this interview, Ogier also wanted to go to Toyota..
https://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutin...330#gs.Bu33Y88
Well thats the thing, we can speculate and argue here but the reality is that the teams and drivers know better how the things work and whats best for them....im sure Tänak and Märtin talked every detail of this move through before joining.
It's Toyotanak, guys..!!
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no, its ToyOTTa ;)
How long is the contract anyway? Surely not just a year...?
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That's a really good point. Now TGR basically has three #1's, which in many cases has proven to be not-so-optimal line-up. You don't need (and you don't even want) to have three "winners" in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
What kind of form we'll see from JML next year if and when he's not the clear #1? And what about Lappi? He should be a champion rather sooner than later, so what's the point of having him as #3 (which he undoubtly will be)? And for Tänak, is he able to keep is brilliant momentum on, now that the team and the car are both new to him?
What I think is the most interesting question, is that what exactly did Tommi think he'll get by hiring Tänak, that he wouldn't already have?
I mentioned this around August on this forumQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
that he would go to Toyota. It’s good to know my source was correct. He is the same source who said that Ogiers manager had called Toyota to secure a deal around July of this year. Maybe both Ogier and Tanak knew about M-Sports future hurdles considering how early this was.
As far as Ogier, Tommi does not like the guy, but I’m sure it’s TGR’s big bosses who make the final decision.
Bummed for Hanninen, but great news for Tanak. Toyota will be a threat next year. They’ve had a great first year.
Makinen preferred Tanak instead of Ogier for better team spirit?Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
seems like a payback to Ogiers comments after his first test before a year.
For that Lappi should firstly participate and gain experience from all 13 rounds and improve a lot on tarmac. So still a season or two to get there... All the leading teams have or have had drivers competing for WDC individually. Some bad examples, some really strong, but both have in common that they also win the manu. title (M-Sport this season, Citroen, VW etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Lappi No1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Also, Tänak was considered already a year ago, but he chose to go for another year at M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
From pure speed point of view he won't be #3...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I can understand that you are in a hurry to take what it belongs to Finland,but be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Lappi still tries to finish an asphalt rally.
So it seems, if this is the case that it`s a payback than it`s not perhaps an example of great leadership but time will tell who`s done the right decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I really don't think Lappi could challenge either JML or Tänak next season in the overall standings, but my point was that Lappi is not your typical #3 driver - one TGR would definitely need in 2018 if they're serious about challenging for the manu title. Lappi probably wins one rally, then crashes out on the next three, which doesn't help either JML, Tänak or TGR as a team. The profile TGR needs for that position (now that they've chosen to go with JML and Tänak) in my opinion is something like Hänninen, Breen or Sordo.
Yeh, what I mean is that Lappi is not a Sordo, an experienced guy to secure manufacturer points, but he's not either a total newbie, having already won a rally and being on the pace in all rallies this year. It's true that 2018 is more of an experience gaining year for Lappi, but he's also capable of winning. Maybe Latvala will become the experienced guy who secures manufacturer points when the wild fast guys fail? Wouldn't have expected to say that a year ago.
Well, Evans for instance has scored points for M-Sport on three occasions, but they would still be comfortabely in lead without those points. It shouldn`t be only M-Sport who gives seats and opportunities to young and developing drivers.
Om the other hand I don`t think Tommi has the final decision who he gets to sign, this decision comes from the ones who actually pay..Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Why sad as a Latvala fan? As far as I know Latvala and Tanak get along quite well. Add Lappi to the mix and I believe Toyota will have the best team climate in the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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It´s true that now TGR has three #1's, which may be a big problem.
All the drivers are able to drive very fast, but also happens to crash many times during the season. Maybe sporting director Kaj Lindström can make event by event strategy and someone will secure points every time :)
Will be interesting season!
Latvala has crashed only once this season, in Portugal, and it was probably because he was ill with fever.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
In the previous years, Latvala used to crash often by going too wide sideways, often knocking a rear wheel. He hasn't done that with the Yaris. Maybe the car suits his style better? Or it's just that he drives better with active center diff?
Latvala did the best season in my opinion, but now is different, he is week and Tänak will put big pressure.
How much?Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
I wish the best to Tänak but i'm disappointed about this decision.
http://www.rallit.fi/makinen-kertoi-...ityiskohdista/
Mäkinen: 2-year deal (plus undisclosed options) for Tänak.
New Toyota Gazoo WRC team logistics and R5 development base construction in Tallinn is well underway: https://www.facebook.com/NOBEehitus/...70191733360257