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17th November 2016, 21:29
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

Yes, but not by a top WRC driver.
17th November 2016, 21:31
Jasper

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Originally Posted by Eric

Thats it for Latvala? First stage.. must to feel sorry for him

Latvala is moving again.
17th November 2016, 21:31
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

development is something that never stops, but the only thing that Latvala has that Mikkelsen doesn't is a finnish manager.
17th November 2016, 21:31
dupanton

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Neuville is driving just to finish.

Lol, 1 stage down and conclusions already :p Neuville is never a fast starter (unfortunately)
17th November 2016, 21:31
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by skarderud

I've actually thinked about this, Who is the better development drive of latvala and Mikkelsen? Noone knows?

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.
17th November 2016, 21:32
PLuto

Latvala started later into SS 2, but he is moving.
17th November 2016, 21:33
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

with so many road side repairs he has done on the cars he has recked being a better mechanic is almost certain, but there is no indication he can develop a car better than Mikkelsen.
17th November 2016, 21:34
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by dupanton

Lol, 1 stage down and conclusions already :p Neuville is never a fast starter (unfortunately)

Well, thats what common sense says beforehand;)
17th November 2016, 21:34
Mirek

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

He is, but the car is already developed, no?

How do You know?

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Yes, but not by a top WRC driver.

And that is needed for what? Xsara WRC and C4 were developped mainly by Philippe Bugalski. Focus WRC 06 by Mark Higgins. Polo WRC by Dieter Depping etc.
17th November 2016, 21:35
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Mirek

How do You know?

I believe he can test the car limits better.
17th November 2016, 21:36
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

no,he always have problems to set uphis cars.Remember how many times he has ''wrong'' set up at first loop?
17th November 2016, 21:38
BigWorm

Poor JM, he just get shit shoved to his face this season.
17th November 2016, 21:38
maciotacio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I always thought Latvala was a good mechanic and possibly best for the technical development.

I wouldn't be so sure. Just look how many times he went nowhere with his setup in a rally despite plenty of PET. Or that was just an easy excuse to blame sth.
17th November 2016, 21:40
Eric

apparently Latvala is not a good "technical man". Some say its always much back and forth with the setup and to often it ends badly. This season may indicate that thats right
17th November 2016, 21:41
Mirek

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I believe he can test the car limits better.

You don't need that for development of a good car. You need a driver who understands what any particular change do with the car. Very few are able of that and it doesn't always apply that fast guys understand the car, quite the contrary.
17th November 2016, 21:42
Fast Eddie WRC

Fair points on Latvala and his set-ups..

But his does have huge experience in WRC and rallying in general, even doing events in his old Quattro.
17th November 2016, 21:42
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by BigWorm

Poor JM, he just get shit shoved to his face this season.

I don't think so, he is just "too much determined", to be fair with him on some occasions just the car failed him.
17th November 2016, 21:43
dimviii

Tanak lost from 2nd split to finish ,2 sec from 3 different drivers.Seems that dmacks don't keep well after some kms. Lets see at bigger stages.
17th November 2016, 21:43
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Mirek

You don't need that for development of a good car. You need a driver who understands what any particular change do with the car. Very few are able of that and it doesn't always apply that fast guys understand the car, quite the contrary.

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?
17th November 2016, 21:45
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?

No, there is no indication who is better between the two.

The person who does an assumption has to prove if that assumption is true or not, its how logic works if you are not simple or welsh.
17th November 2016, 21:45
EstWRC

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Tanak lost from 2nd split to finish ,2 sec from 3 different drivers.Seems that dmacks don't keep well after some kms. Lets see at bigger stages.

this and he said after SS1 the set-up isnt right, rear moving too much
17th November 2016, 21:45
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Fair points on Latvala and his set-ups..

But his does have huge experience in WRC and rallying in general, even doing events in his old Quattro.

Bugalski Higgins didn't had plenty ofwrc experience,but they managed to do the job excellent.
17th November 2016, 21:47
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Bugalski Higgins didn't had plenty ofwrc experience,but they managed to do the job excellent.

yes, but did they do events in old quattros ? LOL.
17th November 2016, 21:48
Fast Eddie WRC

Sébastien Ogier ‏@SebOgier 4m4 minutes ago
"I take every risk I could possibly take. At least I try, I have nothing to lose"

Should be good to watch later. :)
17th November 2016, 21:49
Mirek

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

..... aaaand You think Mikkelsen is better in this?

I asked You how do You know that Latvala is better?
17th November 2016, 21:51
danon

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...223719559a.jpg
17th November 2016, 21:51
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Mirek

I asked You how do You know that Latvala is better?

And I answered, for the protocol.
17th November 2016, 21:52
EstWRC

pickems still open? can i change my one?
17th November 2016, 21:52
dimviii

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far
17th November 2016, 21:53
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far

Road position
17th November 2016, 21:53
Fast Eddie WRC

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?
17th November 2016, 21:53
PLuto

Molly faster than Serderidis ;)
17th November 2016, 21:54
dimviii

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Originally Posted by dimviii

its not pointless,this stage at 2nd half was more tight,its good to see who is driving better at twistier roads,or to see where Ogier is loosing more while cleaning the road.

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HMSGOfficial · 8s9 seconds ago

SS3 #Paddon: "When it got twisty we struggled for grip with the hard tyres at the front. It wasn't too bad." #WRC #RallyAustralia
17th November 2016, 21:55
PLuto

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Sordo surprisingly faster than Neuville so far

(20 - Sordo Dani / Martí Marc): There is a line, but it's not super clean. On the soft tyres there's not so much grip. Hard tyres would have been better, I think.
17th November 2016, 21:56
skarderud

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?

Rare, if ever, i've heard him complain about setup? Quite common for latvala.

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17th November 2016, 22:03
dimviii

Mads ss2
https://twitter.com/scottyn86
17th November 2016, 22:04
EstWRC

damn, shame about this car problem for Tänak, hoped a little more in the morning loop...ok still a long rally to go
17th November 2016, 22:05
Eric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

So no-one knows who is better for developing the Toyota, but we've given our opinions in favour of Latvala.

Who has an opinion on Mikkelsen being better than Latvala for car development and why ?

I don't think there is a very big difference between latvala and mikkelsen regarding who's best for developing the toyota. I can imagine they both have the experience needed for development. So that leaves us with who is the best driver. And after this season thats pretty clear, its Mikkelsen.
17th November 2016, 22:08
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Eric

And after this season thats pretty clear, its Mikkelsen.

If that's true, the teams would have only one driver for development, so I doubt it, can I?
17th November 2016, 22:13
Eric

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

If that's true, the teams would have only one driver for development, so I doubt it, can I?

huh?

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