A lot of mud!
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A lot of mud!
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Carlos is driving in anger!!! ... between wp3 (where he had his problem) and wp7, he made up 2 minutes on Loeb
edit: according to Peugeot Sport Twitter, his problem was: "engine stopped" ... he lost 13 minutes
That's some serious tinfoil hat theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
They have been clearly fastest in the mud today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Sebastien Loeb has made it true - he won his first ever Dakar leg!
Loeb 2.23 ahead at the finish.
That's a thing not many people maybe were expecting. Happy for him! Let's see if he can keep his momentum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Not so bad stage time for Mikko in his first Dakar though.
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Pons I guess!
https://www.facebook.com/dakar/video...type=2&theater
You should be more informed before throwing 'tinfoil hats' into other people heads...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It was Farmin himself that admitted XRaid was the dominant force and it would be hard for Peugeot to get a 4wd car at their level.
"Bruno Famin, Peugeot Sport Director, comparing the new 2008 DKR with the Dakar-winning Mini. "Since they've mastered four-wheel-drive, we have chosen to focus on optimising two-wheel-drive, which offers a number of intriguing benefits.""
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Peugeot was limited by time (they had just one year between the program green light and the start of '15 Dakar) and by human resources shortness (the end of LeMans program took many brains away from Velizy). These problems were visible in their '15 uncompetitive car and forced them to design a new car for '16. It seems this time they've done a proper job and can get the 2wd regs features to cope with 4wd machinery.
Beside this 'why have they done it' debate, what really matters now is to see this year Dakar becaming a hell of a fight between Mini, Toyota and Peugeot and one of the ex WRC guys getting the victory!
You stated that they chose 2WD because they were afraid to loose with other 4WD. Now You even claim they admitted so. That's a misinterpretation as nothing like that is written in Famin's quote You posted. He just said they chose an alternative way as they saw certain benefits of doing so. Nothing more nothing less. You may feel to see something between the lines what isn't there.
The point is that no manufacturer decides to spend billions to be just a bunch of shiny looking losers. I'm pretty sure that they chose what they chose because their analysis showed them it can be beneficial. The fact they didn't succeed in the first attempt doesn't change it.
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Roma again no candidate for the victory again after the first stage.
Everybody got stuck on the same part, incredible.
Van Loon passed the spot very slowly next to the path after seeing other stuck.
Twitteraccount of the Renault Truck #509 of vd Brink posted a photo of the truck burned down to the ground, they removed the tweet however.
Edit; nothing can be removed from the internet ;)
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The "Since they've mastered four-wheel-drive, we have chosen to focus on optimising two-wheel-drive" Famin words are chrystal clear and there's no possible misinterpretation on how the 2wd option come as an alternative solution in order to face limited time and human resources on Peugeot '15 Dakar project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But you're probably right in one point: none of the billion funded motorsport failed programes have failed by purpose...
Congratulations to Loeb, very nice start. That mud stopped Roma, Gordon and others, did anyone retire? Also, can we expect more sections like that in next days?
What happened and Kamaz are not on pace?
http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/fr/e...ons.html#ancre
Dutch for the win! ;) I believe nothing happened. Teams of de Rooij and Stacey/Versluis have got good material.
Last year they had quite a slow start too. Wait for the second half of the rally to judge. Anyway it looks good for the competition especially since the teams of Iveco and Man are very strong this year. Sadly Kolomý seems to be again alone in the battle and that makes it twice more difficult (Valtr was for some reason very slow today) .Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
This is another Famin quote: "The Dakar organizers have two ways of balancing performance: the regulations and the route".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Let's have a look at the regulations: The minimum weight - without fuel - for the Peugeots is nearly 700 kgs less than the turbodiesel Minis, 600 kgs less than the petrol normally aspirated Toyotas (notice the difference between these two 4WD cars). They have nearly double the wheel travel (limited to 250 mm on 4WD cars) and much bigger wheels (37 inch diameter for the Pugs). Plus they can alter the wheel pressure in full flight, which is not allowed for 4WD cars.
That leads to 2WD cars being superior offroad, especially in the desert, 4WD cars having advantages on tracks, especially with lots of corners.
Now have a look at the route: In Africa roughly 90 per cent of the stages were offroad/desert. In South American Dakar this was reduced to something like 40 per cent. Alss the organisers changed the rules in favour of 2WD cars, mainly because this formerly was a privateer category.
Peugeot is the first factory team seriously trying to win with a 2WD buggy.
Even X-Raid is evaluating the 2WD concept. Since last year they are running a buggy (Guerlain Chicherit, no. 324) alongside their Minis. It's powered by a Chevrolet V8 petrol engine and this year for the first time built around a X-Raid developped chassis.
Because Chile and Peru pulled out unfortunately - for Peugeot - the 2016 route has only something like two days of offroad driving.
After Rally Morocco Nasser Al-Attiyah was quite convinced to beat even the all-new Pugs because there they were not much faster in the desert than the Minis, and the Minis were still faster on tracks.
So it's quite interesting that at the Dakar 2016 already one stage with theoretically 4WD advantages was cancelled and the other was won by a Pug.
Quite a lot of crews got penalties for speeding - Vasilyev, Al Attiyah, Despres, Prokop and others 1 minute, Al Rahji even 5 minutes. In bikes Faria, Svitko (1 min), Jakeš (2 min). No penalties in trucks.
Czech media report that the fire of Van de Brink's Renault was caused by an accident. They also wrote that the reason for very bad time of second official Tatra truck (Valtr) was caused by a problem with front differential and a puncture.
Heavy rainstorm is reported somewhere around 100th km of today's special.
Again shortened route
The day's timed section will therefore start shortly after the initially planned CP1 (after 112.91 km) and finish after 314 km as planned. As a result, the special will be slightly less than 200 kilometres in length.
Not sure if this is Dakar Rally or Safari Rally.. :P
Sébastien Loeb_WRC @Loeb_Seb1
Loeb quickest so far at WP4 0:25.29 +8.0s from De Villiers. #Dakar2016 #Peugeot2008DKR
Further extending his lead at WP5.
Peugeot Sport @peugeotsport 4 λεπτάΠριν από 4 λεπτά
#Dakar2016 SS3.WP4
LOEB 25m29s
2.Poult+4s
3.DeVi+8s
4.Al-At+12s
5.Hirv+17s
6.TenBr+23s
7.SAINZ+27s
8.PETER+28s
9.Alra+1m16s
12.DESPRES+1m28s
Sébastien Loeb_WRC @Loeb_Seb1 5 λεπτάΠριν από 5 λεπτά
Séb passed WP5 with a time of 0:44.10, +0.52s quicker than Peterhansel, #Dakar2016 #Peugeot2008DKR
at WP5 he is much faster than anyone, 52s ahead of Peterhansel. These stage were supposed to favour the 4wd Mini and Toyota but the two Pugs are leadingQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
btw Dim thats not his official account
yes i know,just a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
it was a technical issue with the brakes running hot or something. They are not sure as everything went into flames, but think it was the brakes. No crash or accident in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Now Sainz joined the party and Peugeot trio is leading.
Thanks. Brake liquid is indeed very flammable and quite frequent cause of fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
4WD faster between WP5 and WP6 however Loeb keeps the lead.
Peugeot Sport @peugeotsport 17 λεπτάΠριν από 17 λεπτά
#Dakar2016 SS3.WP6
LOEB 1h26m27s
2.Al-At+27s
3.DeVil+57s
4.SAINZ+1m2s
5.PETER+1m39s
6.Poult+1m50s
7.Hirv+1m51s
8.TenB+1m58s
12.DESPRES+4m22s
13:16 : The truck race is stopped!
The trucks, the last vehicles to tackle the day’s special, have unfortunately fallen victim to the poor weather conditions. A part of the track has caved in after CP2, making the route thereafter impassable for this category.
Rallye-Sport.fr @RallyeSport
#Dakar2016 2e victoire confirmée pour Sébastien Loeb ! Al-Attiyah +1’25, De Villiers +2’02, Hirvonen +2’49
Shit, I just came home looking into the strange results but seeing Kolomý in the lead I was kinda pleased. This just sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Standings after SS3 1 Loeb
2 De Villiers +5:03
3 Peterhansel +5:15
4 Al-Attiyah +5:43
5 Hirvonen +5:52
6 Poulter +6:43
Stage does count for the overall classification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
1. Kolomy 1h4240s
2. Stacey +0'17
3. Villagra +0'54
4. Versluis +1'55
5. Mardeev +2'46
6. Van Genugten +3'04
7. Viazovich +3'35
8. De Rooy +4'28
9. Macik +5'58
10. Loprais +8'52
Great, first ever leg win for Kolomý and a win for Tatra after some time. I'm happy for that :) Also great result for young Macík. His old-style looking Liaz has a new Buggyra engine just like Kolomý or Valtr. Valtr started very late today but he seems to be heading to top 10 too.
Edit: Valtr lost time at the end.
Edit2: Looks like very very bad leg for Kamaz! Nikolaev 16th, Sotnikov 24th, Karginov 32nd Mardeev 36th... huh
Edit3: Kolomý with 10 min penalty dropping from 2nd to 6th :(
Kamaz changed something at their trucks from last year?
^ Nose surgery..