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What? Do You really believe in what You write? Do You think somebody can take You seriously with this crap? There is 2 million people in Slovenia and 38 million people in Poland. That is 19x more. I don't want to comment the rest. It's waste of time...
Exactly 0 km. I hate running :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Rich countries have money. Definitely not Poland.Quote:
So, who has mony and who not?
This wasn't addressed at me, was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
No, that was on Ucci and his comparing countries by some Porsche sales numbers instead of net wages, GDP per capita or other somewhat realistic economic tools...
Guys, live statistics about GDP for kids....until Greece is so high, it is crap...and you are running away from the fact about the entries in WRC, EU champ.....valid also for Czech.....you have mony and PERIOD.
Look our championship and compare it with yours? Again you will give me some blablalba answers.
We can end with this comparison. Be happy where you live....
Maybe it is crap, but it is still better than quoting Porsche sales, isn't it? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Maybe we have more money than Slovenia, but you cannot say we are Dubai ;) And if you don't agree, have a look at the salary statistics on the previous stage once again. Slovenia is a very small and very young country. I'm not sure if it makes sense to campare it with Poland.Quote:
and you are running away from the fact about the entries in WRC, EU champ.....valid also for Czech.....you have mony and PERIOD.
You are right. For such a poor country our national championship doesn't look bad.Quote:
Look our championship and compare it with yours? Again you will give me some blablalba answers.
We can end with this comparison. Be happy where you live....
Seems to me that is only because of F1, it is all about marketing after all. I agree it is somewhat waste, these money could be used much better probably.... probably. But let's wish Kubica some progress next year as he is so determined to continue the learning process....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
This is way offtopic but still an interesting argument.
For what I know you're right Poland is not a rich country but the atmosphere in your country is good because of recent growth, the ability to attract investments and a very determined young generation. At least this is what I feel in the industry I operate (web & communication), where I've had the possibility to collaborate with several polish guys.
I'm not saying there is an economic boom but this kind of situations help investments and attractiveness. This means that in an economic point of view Poland is a very good place to invest money. I would say better than a rich country that has no more the courage and the will to do great things.
Of course this doesn't mean Lotos will keep paying Kubica for decades. His F1 days start to be too much in the past and popularity without results is becoming to go down slowly.
I wonder whether the future progression of Kajetanowicz will have any effect on Kubica - positive or negative? If Katjo looked to move up to WRC if he wins ERC this year (which seems likely). Obviously they have the same backer. Could that allow expansion, or only room for one?
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by simmi
1) A lot of polish people (and I mean A LOT) work abroad... as Poland don't tax these, they don't show up in statistics. Poland is probably higher up in the rank than those statistics show. Sure, it's not Scandinavia (or the nordic countries, sorry mr Warmbold) or Germany but it is still better off than a lot of the other countries on that list.
2) I think we are being unfair with Kubica. He has won a couple of stages this and last year. Sure, lately he has lost pace which is a shame. I hope he has the ability to regain it. His ultimate lack of experience is hampering him but I don't think he can blame that forever.
Rallying is not waste of money and we need to keep repeating this to gain more sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
nothing to do with Kubica!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marcosg
yeah... it's fake...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Some quotes in Motorsport News from Kubica about next year.
He says that something needs to change as right now he has no way to be competitive in his current set up and lack of resources.
He could potentially switch sport, do less rallies/more testing, OR potentially go back to WRC2.
Do you know what was he doing over there?
testing :P?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
if he wants to do wrc2 I would like to see him in Fabia R5
Not really sure. Some work alongside racing drivers. I know Matteo Bobbi was one of the guys there. Not sure about the other driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
https://twitter.com/matteobobbi/stat...134080?lang=en
These are the Kubica quotes about next year and maybe WRC2:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...medium=twitter
WRC2 for Kubica next year actually sounds like a very reasonable (and clever) decision on his part (in case that is what he eventually decides upon, of course).
It's no wonder that Robert is unable to consistently compete with the biggest stars the WRC has to offer, but it seems that while he tries to stay realistic regarding his targets, deep down it seems like he expects more of himself than top 10 finishes. His own ambition might have led to his demise. Like he says: "I am too competitive just to drive around." And this is where the WRC2 comes into the picture.
Get in that car Robert, do WRC2, challenge for rally wins and develop your feeling with the car. In comparison, some Finnish drivers do dirt-biking from the age of 3 and get their first car and do amateur rallies at 12. Here we're talking about someone who used to be a circuit driver his entire life, and suddenly, in his late 20s is thrown into the world of rallying without as much as having ever been in a rally car before. And as if that wasn't enough, he has his limitations as well which would make most drivers, regardless of their level, completely unable to drive in the first place... and yet he is able to occassionally challenge the big boys until minor mistakes cost him in the end. If this man doesn't deserve one's respect within the rallying world... does anyone?
I hope he stays in professional rallying - regardless of the level. The sport in general needs people like him; people who are humble, professional and passionate about their sport. Being so underrated also means that he gives spectators a run for their money when he sets fastest stage times on stages that (seemingly) only him and Sebastién Ogier seem to excel on. He has a local following bigger than most of the biggest stars the sport has seen.
Please stay, Robert. The sport of rallying needs you.
He should go ERC first...
Yes, he's already won one WRC2 title. The same year he failed to finish one ERC event IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
And that's why he should go back to ERC? I don't think he care about winning in ERC because mostly there are not enough strong competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
in my opinion it would be better to mix for example DTM+selected WRC rounds. Earn some good money in racing and spend them on well prepared WRC car in less events
But he's interested in WRC2?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Maybe a WRC2 team next year :) K&K Lotos Rally Team
That would be awesome! I would be interested to see where Katjo stacks up in WRC2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I think that if he would not have wasted these two years with his approach, and used them to learn, he could have been ready for a competitive 2016. Maybe he could have gained a manufacturer seat too. What a pity...
Really? All those competitors were better than Kubica back in 2013 when he was competing in the ERC. He couldn't even win one single rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
The positive thing is that he came to terms with the fact he is not WRC material, so the peak of the sport will have one less danger to worry about. I think Kubica will be a nice addition to the ERC and it will be a nice opportunity for him to win events and even the championship.
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Originally Posted by Jarek Z
That was his first proper season in rallying and he was straight out faster than all of them so please... .
I don't think these two years were completely wasted. Last Tour The Course proved that he learn something. If he would agree to do less rallies with more testing it could open chances to gain manufacturer seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Yes but what I meant is that he learned this two year later. Maybe if he had this kind of approach from the very first year it would have been better for him now. Let's see how it goes and hope that he will make more step forward in rally sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
That's a crazy idea, but I like it! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
A combination of talented, consistent and successful driver plus a rally celebrity, that has no results, but creates much noise for the media - that could work! :D
I know what you mean, but speed is not everything. Let's be honest. He was competing in 4 ERC rounds in 2013 and won nothing. He has never managed to beat neither Kopecky nor Breen, so how can you say he was faster then them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quad
1. Rally Islas Canarias El Corte Inglés
Kopecky - 1st overal
Breen - 2nd
Kubica - crashed!
2. SATA Rallye Açores
Kopecky - 1st
Breen - 2nd
Kubica - 6th
3. Tour de Corse
Kopecky - 2nd
Breen - 4th
Kubica - out of the rally after mechanical problem with fuel system
4. Rally Poland
Kopecky - 3rd
Breen - 7th
Kubica - crashed!
There are rumors here and there that Lotos will pull out from motorsport sponsorship next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
So that would be bad for Kajto, too ...Quote:
Originally Posted by thuGG
Yep, but TBH it may be bullshit.