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15th November 2014, 14:51
mousti

They listened to me it seems :D

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15th November 2014, 16:28
EightGear

Or to both of us, I sent them this a few weeks ago:

Dear WRC+ Team,

I really enjoy your work on WRC+ and regularly use it. There is still room for improvement in the 'Live Maps' area, but generally I appreciate your work.

One of the main reason to sign up for me is the possibility to see almost all onboards on all stages from the top runners. I think onboards, when correctly presented, can give a very good impression of the skills involved in driving a WRC car. However, I don't really like the position of the POV camera. Me, and I believe a lot of other people, would really like to see the onboard camera's placed behind the drivers, in between the driver and the co-driver, so you can see the driver turning the steering wheel and all of their input. Your colleagues in the ERC are doing exactly so, and those onboards are a lot more enjoyable if I'm honest.

See these examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqlPTYY0LQ

Almost all onboards from the Czech site mediasport.cz are filmed like this as well: http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy.html

I stongly believe adjusting the camera positions will improve the quality of your product and it will, in the end, improve the popularity of the sport. After all, I suppose that's one of the reasons WRC+ has been created.

I wish you good luck in maintaning and improving this service.

Kind regards,
15th November 2014, 17:00
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franky

Onboard camera position really isn't connected to WRC+ as such. But have to agree that the resolution of the onboard videos is very poor, bitrate isn't the best either.

so the camera position is depending on wrc+ after all...
15th November 2014, 22:06
Franky

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

so the camera position is depending on wrc+ after all...

That's like saying uploaded content depends on Youtube
15th November 2014, 22:50
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franky

That's like saying uploaded content depends on Youtube

Oh, dear. Obviously the thread between producer and consumer has vanished somewhere.
So You can publish anything on youtube You say:D

EDIT: But You're right youtube is free service and can be seen all kind of videos there, good comparison nevertheless;)
16th November 2014, 19:30
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Which one is best..?? WRC+ onboards or official Youtube onboards..??
17th November 2014, 18:52
Franky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Which one is best..?? WRC+ onboards or official Youtube onboards..??

You mean quality wise? I ended my WRC+ subscription a month ago, but Youtube's quality seems a bit better. But the original footage is still "soft" (compare graphical texts with stage start sponsor banners, e.g.)
29th November 2014, 03:02
KiwiWRCfan

2014 WRC season review is now on WRC+
It is 52 minutes long and the final 90 seconds has some sensational editing
22nd December 2014, 15:50
christy but

I see there is a 20% reduced price for wrc+ at the moment for Christmas...is it still not available in uk and Ireland..???
31st December 2014, 13:47
Allyc85

Is there any chance of legally getting WRC+ in the UK in 2015.

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.
31st December 2014, 14:09
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allyc85

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.

What did You try when crashed? VPN or just browser/system proxy. There shouldn't be a problem with proxy I believe.
31st December 2014, 14:26
rallyfiend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allyc85

Is there any chance of legally getting WRC+ in the UK in 2015.

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.

I guess it depends what broadcaster deals they have in place. Have they confirmed BT Sport again? ITV?
31st December 2014, 17:54
Sulland

I sent them an email asking for the reasons for why I could not subscribe from Norway.

it took them a long time to answer, and a BS asnwer came back. i asked them for more details, no answer yet.
Not a very peofessional way to treat customers!

Will use tunnelbear in 2015!
31st December 2014, 20:26
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

I sent them an email asking for the reasons for why I could not subscribe from Norway.

it took them a long time to answer, and a BS asnwer came back. i asked them for more details, no answer yet.
Not a very peofessional way to treat customers!

Will use tunnelbear in 2015!

It's because SVT broadcasted Swedish Rally and some more live stages through Canal Digital in Norway.
I use Hola, works great.

Guess they think the Broadcaster wouldn't bother paying for the live stages if people could get it on WRC + instead.
12th January 2015, 19:22
Mariusz

A few days ago I got an email from WRC+ team and they will display split times on their live maps this season. If they can manage to show them as fast as stage times it will be a great feature.
13th January 2015, 19:48
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariusz

A few days ago I got an email from WRC+ team and they will display split times on their live maps this season. If they can manage to show them as fast as stage times it will be a great feature.

Totally agree. That is what they missed the most last year imho. Very happy to hear that. Hope there will be a better track system as well
13th January 2015, 19:55
EightGear

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.
14th January 2015, 15:44
mousti

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightGear

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmp7fOSDhY
14th January 2015, 15:45
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by mousti

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmp7fOSDhY

Yes, like the video you uploaded. ;)
14th January 2015, 17:45
dimviii

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.
14th January 2015, 17:52
mousti

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.

208 R5 is ideal

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14th January 2015, 19:03
makinen_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.

me too, you must be able to look at drivers hands to really appreciate what's going on
anyway we will never see such a camera position in the wrc with those amateurs...
14th January 2015, 20:17
Franky

Quote:

Originally Posted by makinen_fan

me too, you must be able to look at drivers hands to really appreciate what's going on
anyway we will never see such a camera position in the wrc with those amateurs...

Correction, with those seats. Super wide angle like GoPros can give you the look of what's happening between the seats and dash, but it comes at the cost of overall image distortion. It makes everything seem so far away. Okay, the movement looks greater due to the wide angle distortion, but it feels wrong.
14th January 2015, 20:24
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightGear

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.

I told Østberg the other day that he should ask the TV crew to give him the same inboard as Meeke, so hopefully there's another one at least ;)

Problem with going wide is that you have a really small margin to hit or else the road will get too white like i did here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O3EvHB0bwA

Could maybe do it better if adjusted with the APP and a with a proper mount and not on top of the seat though.
14th January 2015, 20:37
dodge33cymru

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!
14th January 2015, 20:42
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franky

Super wide angle .

no super wide(like some that you can see even through side windows),just a bit wider so you dont have the total image distortion,isn t it possible?
Subaru Norway?
14th January 2015, 20:44
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodge33cymru

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!

yes you are... and you should not be proud of it.
14th January 2015, 20:47
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodge33cymru

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!

Use hola.org, takes you 10min and invite a friend and you will get free GB limit for a month :)
14th January 2015, 20:51
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

no super wide(like some that you can see even through side windows),just a bit wider so you dont have the total image distortion,isn t it possible?
Subaru Norway?

This is medium wide angel on the GoPro, you get quite a bit less speed sensation though. You could get an aftermarket lense to get something in-between, not that hard to do either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYeYtYSN960
14th January 2015, 21:02
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

This is medium wide angel on the GoPro, you get quite a bit less speed sensation though. You could get an aftermarket lense to get something in-between, not that hard to do either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYeYtYSN960

thats a lot wide,i mean less wide than this.But as you said its possible with aftermarket lense.
14th January 2015, 21:13
Franky

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

thats a lot wide,i mean less wide than this.But as you said its possible with aftermarket lense.

Changing the lens to a less wider one means that you also have to move the camera more toward the rear of the car to capture the same area. And there's where the seats start to obstruct the view
14th January 2015, 22:01
makinen_fan

The point dimvii wants to make it that it doesn't need to cover all that, you can get away with a bit less wide angle lens, and keeping the lens position equal.
Definitely it is a delicate selection of lens used and positioning of the camera. But if someone with limited resources as SubaruNorway can do it, for sure RedBullMedia can do that too!
14th January 2015, 22:11
dimviii

exactly as makinen fan said..
14th January 2015, 23:00
Franky

To see how the image changes when decreasing the field of view - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItJRr9Hlo

You can't keep the same position for Wide and Narrow. Well you can, but you'll see a lot less.

SubaruNorway, the video of Grondal is with the medium FOV?
14th January 2015, 23:45
SubaruNorway

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franky

To see how the image changes when decreasing the field of view - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItJRr9Hlo

You can't keep the same position for Wide and Narrow. Well you can, but you'll see a lot less.

SubaruNorway, the video of Grondal is with the medium FOV?

Yeah it's medium mounted to the front edge of the co drivers seat in both. You have a narrow setting on the GoPro too but i never tried it for inboard, you would then probably have the edge of the frame just at the A pillars and not much speed sensation but of course better details of the road.

This is medium with a manfrotto super clamp and 25cm extension arm mounted to the cage 10cm back from the front edge of the seat. As you can see some vibration so welding my own heavy duty extension arm :p
Low light that day so i think that's why the quality is not that good.

http://youtu.be/C2i1FBh6emg?t=1m36s
19th January 2015, 17:03
sindroms

WRC+ available in UK - http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007837&10
19th January 2015, 17:19
Allyc85

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindroms

WRC+ available in UK - http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007837&10

Great news :D
19th January 2015, 17:20
dodge33cymru

Halle-sodding-lujah, at last.

I'm not in on Thursday evening; do any regular users know how long after a live stage it's usually made available to watch for subscribers?
19th January 2015, 17:25
sindroms

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodge33cymru

Halle-sodding-lujah, at last.

I'm not in on Thursday evening; do any regular users know how long after a live stage it's usually made available to watch for subscribers?

All year long. Check out wrc+ content - does 2014 year live stages and on-boards available for UK users too :)
19th January 2015, 17:29
dodge33cymru

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindroms

All year long. Check out wrc+ content - does 2014 year live stages and on-boards available for UK users too :)

Much better than the WEC equivalent, where you watch live or nothing.

Sorry, I meant to ask how quickly it becomes available after broadcast?

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