Rallye Deutschland 2014

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Originally Posted by irish_tiger

What did Neuville do in this event last year ? - did he not come close to winning ?

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So how about Sordo? ;)

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Originally Posted by jonkka

Here comes the kid with whizz...

21.2 AMENDMENTS ON THE ENTRY FORM
A competitor may freely replace the car declared on the entry form with another from the same group and the same class, up to the moment of scrutineering.


Scrutineering was held yesterday so if Neuville's car is not declared OK to start, he's out.

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Thanks J - but that is open to interpretation - if there is no mention of the chassis number or national registration number on the form then there is no change of car, it's still a scruiteneered Hyundai i20 WRC. As I read it, if say Bouffier had dinged his Fiesta on the Monte tests, beyond repair, a week before scruitineering and was unable to obtain another Fiesta he could change the entry to any other A8 car he could find, say a DS3.
As to why Hyundai might want to do that, despite the quality of the other team members - Neuville may just have a contract clause that guarantees him a start whenever possible.
Anyone know the level of detail on the entry form?

Apparently Hyundai just declared that Neuville will start the rally for sure.

Photos from shakedown: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1292

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvj6jUcCMAArcrL.jpg:large

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Thanks J - but that is open to interpretation - if there is no mention of the chassis number or national registration number on the form then there is no change of car, it's still a scruiteneered Hyundai i20 WRC. As I read it, if say Bouffier had dinged his Fiesta on the Monte tests, beyond repair, a week before scruitineering and was unable to obtain another Fiesta he could change the entry to any other A8 car he could find, say a DS3.
As to why Hyundai might want to do that, despite the quality of the other team members - Neuville may just have a contract clause that guarantees him a start whenever possible.
Anyone know the level of detail on the entry form?

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That's later in the regs:

26.1.6 Scrutineers will require the car to be identified.

Your interpretation of Bouffier as an example is correct. But on the latter part, entry form does not identify the car, that's done on scrutineering and after that it's the car, no longer a car, and can't be swapped.

Thanks J - I can't recall a previous occasion where a team leader has binned it in S/d so badly they couldn't start. Appears an academic question now.

Luckily yes, I really want to see how Neuville goes there.

In 2003 Subaru Team Leader Petter Solberg crashed on shakedown on The Tour De Corse.
Prodrive managed to fix the car over night, and Petter came back to win the rally trough a great adrenalin driven drive, and a set of Pirelli tires that worked excellent in the wet conditions. This again lead to Petter claming the WRC title in 2003, something that is still etched in the minds of us that are rally crazy Norwegians;)
Could Neuville repeat the feat of winning after a SD-crash?

I´m worried about right door opens so fast. For sure some impacts make doors open but on a WRC car I think that is an issue taken care of when building car.

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Thanks J - I can't recall a previous occasion where a team leader has binned it in S/d so badly they couldn't start. Appears an academic question now.

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Martin did it a few years back in Sweden i think.

to think that a manufacturer would replace a driver with another because of a crash is plain stupid though...

edit: in 2002...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ly/1794465.stm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115465

With this being such a technical event where errors are punished hard, its possible another unexpected winner will happen.
Hope its Meeke.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115465

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"It just needs some panels, doors, maybe wings, a windscreen and a little bit of tape and it'll be fine.

Yeah, nothing special.... especially the tape part

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

With this being such a technical event where errors are punished hard, its possible another unexpected winner will happen.
Hope its Meeke.

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let's hope he doesn't crash

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

With this being such a technical event where errors are punished hard, its possible another unexpected winner will happen.
Hope its Meeke.

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With this being such a technical event where errors are punished hard, its impossible that winner will be Meeke.

Why? It's similar to Finland, where a mistake is punished hard, but Meeke made none of them in Finland, and I expect the same for Germany. He'll finish top 3 again.

Dont forget, this is tarmac. You´ll be punished much faster...

Meeke is a new man since Finland, still I think it'll be very hard for him to win even if both lead VW crash. Fingers crossed for him anyway, he deserves some good results

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Meeke is a new man since Finland, still I think it'll be very hard for him to win even if both lead VW crash. Fingers crossed for him anyway, he deserves some good results

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yes, he also deserves to continue in Citroen next year alongside Ostberg.

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Originally Posted by Eli

yes, he also deserves to continue in Citroen next year alongside Ostberg.

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Sure, if Citroen are not rushing to find the new young Loeb, his seat seem certain

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Originally Posted by eib1

wrc2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvjqZ7WIEAAv7SL.png

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Problem for Martin Koci during the SD ??? :confused:

Short video of shakedown -> http://youtu.be/UwAzPD4tr7U

I wonder if Ogier & JML will push to the max for the win as solid points can still win the Manufacturers Championship here at VW's home event...

For VW will be great victory if they win the Rally & title here

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

For VW will be great victory if they win the Rally & title here

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True, but they wont want a repeat of last year for sure.

They might setle for good finishes and the Manu title here..

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

"Just sums up the WRC really"

What do you mean? I was very very surprised that Breen even went to Germany. Then I was again surprised to see test/recce footage of him wearing a back brace. Germany is perhaps one of the most cruel rallies when having a back issues, lots of really hard bumps and "cuvettes". In my opinion it is right decision, especially taken into account that it's based on not only one, but TWO medical professionals.

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Would tend to agree.
If he's wearing a back brace that is likely for protection to existing damage or for protecting an easily injured back. With his ERC campaign it perhaps, in retrospect, wasn't a wise move entering Germany rather than recovering. A shame for him. The stewarts may have done him a favour in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Thanks J - but that is open to interpretation - if there is no mention of the chassis number or national registration number on the form then there is no change of car, it's still a scruiteneered Hyundai i20 WRC. As I read it, if say Bouffier had dinged his Fiesta on the Monte tests, beyond repair, a week before scruitineering and was unable to obtain another Fiesta he could change the entry to any other A8 car he could find, say a DS3.
As to why Hyundai might want to do that, despite the quality of the other team members - Neuville may just have a contract clause that guarantees him a start whenever possible.
Anyone know the level of detail on the entry form?

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As a scrutineer (although not at FIA level), I can say that each car has a logbook which details the things that identify the car, such as chassis number and roll cage number, as well as any homologation details), so that would be what is used to identify the car. After scrutineering the car could not change as it no longer matches the details that it was entered under or scrutinized for.

However, given that MSport builds their own cages and have been able to repair damaged cages for cars under Rally2 previously, you would assume that Hyundai build their own cages too, so could repair any damage on site, given their HQ is in the neighborhood. Unlike Finland, where perhaps they had to travel too far to get the parts to repair the cage? I don't imagine it's normal for them to carry spare roll cage parts? But you never know.

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

"Just sums up the WRC really"

What do you mean? .

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I mean they had ample opportunities before 20.30 hrs on the eve of the rally to inform Craig Breen that he would not be allowed to start , would it not have been better for Dr Jean Duby who is the permanent FIA Medical Delegate to inform Craig after Finland that in his opinion he will not be allowed to start in Germany therefore saving everyone instead of burying his head in the sand until the night before the start of the rally.
It's not that I am questioning him being allowed to start the rally it is the way in which it was carried out.

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Originally Posted by satnav

I mean they had ample opportunities before 20.30 hrs on the eve of the rally to inform Craig Breen that he would not be allowed to start , would it not have been better for Dr Jean Duby who is the permanent FIA Medical Delegate to inform Craig after Finland that in his opinion he will not be allowed to start in Germany therefore saving everyone instead of burying his head in the sand until the night before the start of the rally.
It's not that I am questioning him being allowed to start the rally it is the way in which it was carried out.

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He, like every other competitor who has been in an injury accident has until Documentation to produce the appropriate medical clearance certificates.

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Originally Posted by satnav

I mean they had ample opportunities before 20.30 hrs on the eve of the rally to inform Craig Breen that he would not be allowed to start , would it not have been better for Dr Jean Duby who is the permanent FIA Medical Delegate to inform Craig after Finland that in his opinion he will not be allowed to start in Germany therefore saving everyone instead of burying his head in the sand until the night before the start of the rally.
It's not that I am questioning him being allowed to start the rally it is the way in which it was carried out.

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the Stewards Decision quite clearly says that he did not provide the necessary documents to allow him to start the event.

How is this anyone's fault but that of the driver?

I don't know if it was posted before, but here is roll of Neuville: http://youtu.be/i5xx47w1g98

ready for action
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvny9cICUAA8yAl.jpg

I don't even see the tape :)

Not too many members awake? Live action starting in about 8 minutes.

Will be very interesting weekend

Seems like there is difference in itinary on wrc.com and other sites, about 5 minutes later, so start at 8h43?

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Originally Posted by eib1

ready for action
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvny9cICUAA8yAl.jpg

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Well done Hyndai!

And I can't get a split link from Ctoren site directly... so must create his by own hands :) here it is
http://www.citroenracing.com/en/live...pf=split&car=1

hehe JML faster on splits.... good start of the rally :)