Well once they are past 5 years old then :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Storm
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Well once they are past 5 years old then :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Storm
Just wait til they're teenagers :dozey: :laugh:
:s
I'm sure Kimi is looking forward to the day he can enjoy an ice crčme cone with the wee tike, :angel:
Finally, it´s confirmed, Kimi will race for Ferrari 2017- . I´m very happy!!
Seems like a very reasonable decision from Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
This is Kimi's biggest achievement in a long time.
Ouch, very surprised by this decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Great to hear Kimi has been signed for 2017. The media have literally walked their way through the grid naming all possible Kimi replacement. That must have been a bit disconcerting for him [not that you would know it looking at his poker face].
Now there are talks of Hamilton going to Ferrari in 2018. :-) possible
Great management decisions
NOT :mad:
If Ferrari have a superior rig in 2017, or on par with the best This is a logical decision for Ferrari as Kimi can be to Vettel what Felipe, Rubens or Eddie were for Mike. Vettel don't want no Max commin' up their and be maybe kicking off in his a$$ like Danny did. If they have the car in 2017 Seb can win the WDC, and Kimi can collect enough for the WCC. If they are not that good at least their will be peace between Kimi, and Seb, just like when Fred punked him in 2014. It was all pretty chill :dozey:
If you think about how to fill Kimi's current seat, Ferrari probably wants a driver who is at least as great as Kimi, but who is not a regular challenge to Vettel. This is pretty obvious as Ferrari has been normally operating this 1-2 scheme since at least the 1990s, if not earlier. Many would probably observe that there exist other drivers besides Kimi that will fit the bill. However, Ferrari is a major brand that also wants a major brand name driver even in its second seat. Kimi basically is a brand on its own, a driver with a WDC title and a big fan base following him. That's exactly what Ferrari needs.
On top of that, who would have you chosen to replace Kimi? As much as I think he's well past his prime, it's not like Grosjean, Sainz, Pérez or Bottas look like they're WDCs in the making (although I think Sainz is rather underrated). There's no guarantee that any of those would do any better.
Kimi seems cool with whatever, doesn't he? I mean, he's got a hot girlfriend, he's racing for Ferrari and as long as he does just enough, he can continue building up his 401k and the kid's college fund for another year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I dont think we can dig at Kimi. Think he has been very good this season. Been matching Seb more this season than last.
On and of track, for me Kimi is the best.
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Originally Posted by N4D13
Who is underrating Sainz? Even though Red Bull had to abruptly move Verstappen into its top team, I am betting that Sainz still will beat Kvyat in the rest of season and will go on to race in F1 the following season.
I think if you drop sainz into the ferrari he would be winning races in no time. He seems very well polished and capable. both he and verstappen (and probably van doorn & wherlein) will be the next generation of top driversQuote:
Originally Posted by zako85
My impression is that people overlook his achievements because he was paired with Max. If you look at their results, they were pretty evenly matched, but people kept talking about Verstappen most of the time. He might not reach Heidfeld levels of underrating, but my impression is that sometimes we don't notice that he's roughly as good as Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
I think it was a smart move by Ferrari. Many of the young guns are still proving themselves, and Kimi is known to keep cool and stay in the points most of the time when the car is capable. Fred whooped him, but the car seemed suited to Fred, Seb beat him soundly last year but Kimi seems to be coming around again. But in the grand scheme of things, being beaten by Alonso or Seb doesn't make anyone slow either.
I'm sure that the fact that he is the last driver to earn a WDC in the Ferrari might have had some influence as well.
I agree. Even if Ferrari think one of those is better, they probably don't think they're a lot better, and they're under contract, and meanwhile Raikonnen is the "bird in the hand worth two in the bush". I think Ferrari will continue to keep their eyes open, and maybe take Sainz/Pérez to dinner a couple of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Now if Redbull hadn't locked in Max V, they'd have been all over that.
According to the championship standings, Kimi is the 3rd best guy on the grid so I guess Ferrari made an OK choice :)
I think Sainz has more potential of everyone on that list, to grow into a WDC contender within 2 seasons. A Sainz signing would have been very popular. Given the chance, l think he would have been very motivated to match Verstapenn's performances in the Redbull to prove his worth. He definitely would have matched or better Kimi's current performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
I also think that a signing of Grojean, Peres or Bottas would have kick started the next phase of their individual development. I think they would have approached their signing as a once in a lifetime opportunity. The corresponding motivation factor of the opportunity would have produced performances equivalent of higher than Kimi's current perfomance.
I can see Ferrari wanting some level of stability in the team while they attempt to get on top of their lack of competitiveness relative to the Mercedes. Otherwise, kimi was more or less one foot out of the door.
Kimi is unlikely to win a WDC if Vettel is on his game. He has not been able to challenge Vettel properly. Any of these hungry guys listed would definitely give Vettel some proper competition. That said, rookies can be very expensive as the crash more easily than more experienced drivers. Perez is the only one on the list shining at the moment. Bottas has been very ordinary in recent races and mostly this year. But that is mostly to do with the poor Williams car than personal ability. Grojean had a brilliant start to the season but has been quite ordinary since.
The real question for Ferrari was, can any of these guys beat Vettel in a straight fight? Or at least be good enough to match him to produce regular one two [or consecutive] finishes. At this point in time, the answer would probably be no. Even Kimi is struggling to do that. He has only looked respectable because Vettel is having car problems like Hamilton.
I can see how Ferrari would want to wait as least one more year to make this decision. Just to give them a little more time to have a look at the prospective candidates before making that decision. This could also mean that Ferrari have their eyes on Hamilton for the 2018 season, when they expect to have the car to dominate the grid.
The top management in Ferrari Thinks only Hamilton is better than Kimi (I don´t agree). Hamilton is only free at the end of 2018.
With the new regulation, next year it could be Kimis year.
But your not a Hamilton fan Mia !
So sure you don't agree!
SO do you think if both were in Ferrari,s Rosberg could wipe the floor with Kimi ?
Or shall I answer for you ?
If you lot got the answer, please be so kind.
Kimi would be top !
He is better than Rosberg
You say Kiitos ?
In my book Pérez would have been a good signing by Ferrari. He has driven pretty well the last couple of years and beaten the highly regarded Hülkenberg.
Räikkönen has driven better this year than he did in 2014 or 2015, but he turns 37 years old this year and frankly Ferrari would be wise to look to the future. Nowadays Kimi gives a vibe of being another Coulthard, Barrichello, Webber, etc guys. Just hangs onto a top seat as a solid #2.
I agree Jens, Peres is the safer bet out of the available drivers; which include Rosberg by the way. Sainz in a better long term gamble, but Ferrari do not have a history of developing drivers from a number 2 positon into a number 1 driver position. Traditionally, Ferrari only invest in sure things. That is a driver with well established credentials to perform at the level that they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
The way Rosberg's 2016 year has gone so far, l don't think Ferrari would be interested in him. As far as Hamilton goes, he fits the bill of what Ferrari would be very interested in. You can see why, can't you; one is to remove him as a competitor. The other is to use his skill to make life difficult for drivers in other cars. Apart from having 2 multiple world champions in the stable, Ferrari would be [certainly] guaranteed to dominate the grid for a number of years with a Vettel/Hamilton lineup; if they can get on top on their current performance deficits.
I think it would be a very troublesome lineup having two of the finest and most successful F1 drivers in this era in the same team. Arrivabene would lose all his hair in the first season alone. But it would make for a truely exciting spectacle for the fans and it would be great for F1. Bernie would definitely love it.
Mia, I think the 2017 regulations fit Kimi well also; with a larger contact patch, more down force, and especially power. I could see Kimi enhanced next year, but also Seb, Fred, and The Boss; as well as some young guys like Sainz, Max add infinite. Good on Kimi I think this formula is "his trajectory" friendly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
I don't agree either with Ferrari management either. Most of the drivers on the grid are better than Kimi, including Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Keep dreaming about it being Kimi's year but, remember, it's only a dream.
It was kind of you to remind me.
Again, once Moore I´m lifting this thread (I hope I will do this for many years to come). A very happy day for me and Kimis other fans!!!
2018, yes yes yes!!
Once again Ferrari retain their slow number two driver. No surprise!
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
A bit harsh that BK. The Ferrari just doesn't suit his driving style that's all. Everyone knows the iceman would be leading the WDC by a huge margin right now if he was in a Merc.. pffff... Lewis wouldn't even get a sniff! :p
I wouldn't call a diver who can get on pole in Monaco a slow driver. And he has had some good performances besides that. Ok not delivered as well as Vettel, but slow...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Good for Kimi. Feel sad for Grosjean though. Doubt he'll ever get a real shot at a top team now.
On Saturday Kimi showed at least part of the reason why Ferrari re-signed him... after making an error on his own qualifying lap, he had the presence of mind to slow down and give Vettel a tow into P2.
Raikkonen reminds me of watching Alan Jones race Touring cars, when I was a kid. I couldn't quite get how this guy was an F1 champ?
Then I was told by older Australian motorsport fans that AJ didn't really care and racing gave him something to do.
Schumacher was fastest qualifier in 12. He was mediocre at MB. So maybe pole at Monaco is no big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Sure it does and he did a great job in Monaco qualifying but it's no use doing that once a year, or in his case, once a decade. With the car he has had over the last couple of years he should have at least won 2-3 grand prix. There is no hiding the fact that he is very much mediocre and, probably one of the most inconsistent and slowest in the field right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyman racer