Is also a question posted on online house insurance applications which can aid in reducing the cost of your premiums....Quote:
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....should therefore be seen as a positive
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Is also a question posted on online house insurance applications which can aid in reducing the cost of your premiums....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
....should therefore be seen as a positive
Exactly where, in all the testimony, did it come out that Zimmerman approached Martin?Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Did you actually read the report?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
Look past the feminist outrage.
She left the room to retrieve a gun and shot at a man who was not physically threatening her.....All this with her children in the room.
You forget one important issue. Martin was TRESPASSING! Stand your ground doesn't apply when committing a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
A higher crime rate is one the downsides of not living in a police state like the UK where you can be arrested for just having an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Personally I'd rather live in a country like yours where goats are free to go around eating children.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by schmenke
Try again........He was trespassing.
Trespassing? He was staying in the same community?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Again, that would be a matter of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
For my sake, please show me the "cogent" arguments.
For the life of me all I see is you vwhatever, Don Juan or whatever his name is and the always dramatic comments from Tonyprop with the 'driving his head into the pavement'.
Suddenly, the obvious raises it's head. You turn it into a political matter rather than a crime.
You had this guy acquitted before there was even a trial.
Another person killed as a result of violence through the use of a gun. A person who could not even get into a police department.
Then the dramatic statements of self defense and the 'driving his head into the pavement' giving the impression of a seething megalomaniac
rather than a 17 year old kid.
Someone posted images of what is deemed the injuries received by Zimmerman as he feared for his life. If his head was being 'pounded' into the
pavement he would have presented with contusions causing a severe (marked quantity of blood) loss of blood due to the lacerations he would
inevitably have had. Was there any subdural hematoma reported? Any concussion?
It's akin to kristallnacht where it mattered nothing about who you were but what you were.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
He was trespassing on other people's property.
The argument about his age is just a ploy to prey on emotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
I have seen some 17 year old "kids" who would and could gladly tear you into bits.
BTW at 5/11 Martin stood over 4 inches taller than George Zimmerman.
You are absolutely correct. How the jury dismissed the fact that Zimmerman was told to stay in the car by theQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
police dispatcher was ignored is hard to fathom.
So you are of the same opinion concerning Zimmerman. One very clear issue is the fact that he disobeyed a police dispatcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
What has that got to do with the price of bread?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
How heavy is Zimmerman?
I am 6feet 1 inch. I have a nephew about the same age as Martin. 6'4'. Could I wrestle him to the ground without having to kill him? Certainly I
could. My mass as is the case with Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin would be sufficient to repel any attempts at him trying to overcome me.
1. He was never told to stay in the car. Nice lie that I hear the traybots repeat often, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
2. He wasn't talking to the police, just a regular dispatcher on a non-emergency line
3. Even if he were told that, he is not at all legally required to listen to them.
4. It's irrelevant to the self defense claim.
5. In summary, it never happened, and even if it did it would be irrelevant and not illegal
at 5/7 you shouldn't go looking for trouble, unless the size of your gun compensates for your (lack of) stature :andrea: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Here we go again. Have you ever been outside of the US in Europe in one of those so called police states, you know, places where the policeQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
don't even carry guns.
When was the last time someone or a case of someone being sent to trial for uttering something you perceive as OK here in the US but to be criminal in the UK?
I have this sneaking suspicion that you are jealous of the British because of their freedom to walk the streets at night. Not having to worry
about drive by shootings. Not having to worry about my 17 year old being shot for wearing a huddy in my nice gated community by some fool
becoming judge and jury. I like the fact that in the UK your son may get home after a talking to by either a/ the police or b/ whomever is in
charge of security.
I would however guarantee you one thing. He would be alive and not shot to death for looking suspicious.
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Originally Posted by vhatever
Zimmerman's voice, meanwhile, comes through on a 911 call he made around that time, telling a dispatcher about "a real suspicious guy."
"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around."
The dispatcher asked Zimmerman, who'd called 911 at least four times previously for other incidents, if he was following the person. He replies, "Yes."
"OK. We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.
But Zimmerman followed him anyway.
Tell me, what is a traybot? A slur on those that grieve the death of a 17 year old. Your juvenile theatrics minimizing a life.
Your contribution is nothing but crass and veiled bigotry along with self serving ideology and plaudits from many on this thread.
You are wrong on every point you posted in response to my answer to someone else. Have you even read anything about the case? By the way, what I posted is an official statement.
Why the need for personal insults?Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
Absolutely not ok, but to convict someone of murder or manslaughter, the case has to be proved beyond any reasonable doubt. All evidence that was available in favor of Zimmerman's self defense argument cast more than enough of such doubt. What we have is a strong evidence of Zimmerman using a gun in response to a deadly force used against him, which is something Zimmerman's bashers on TV conveniently fail to understand or mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Originally Posted by D-Type
It has been established by the courts that you don't have to be a member of "well regulated Militia" to own a fire arm, carry it, etc. So, whether or not a member of a neighborhood watch group is considered a well regulated militia is irrelevant to this discussion.
Most people agree that Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle. However, disobeying a police dispatcher is not a crime. He broke no law there. He did make a bad judgement call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
It is entertaining to follow the media charade and gossip regarding pressing the federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman. My take is that it won't happen as there is no sufficient evidence to prove that a hate crime was committed (in fact some would argue there is no evidence at all). So far Zimmerman was acquitted of any wrong doing. The Federal prosecutors would have to prove that Zimmerman committed a crime AND it was because of race, which sets a much higher standard and burden on the prosecution compared to the state of Florida case.
I heard Holder's speech yesterday. He is a smart guy. I heard nothing NOTHING in his speech suggesting that the Justice Department is going to do anything substantial in response to Saturday's "not guilty" verdict. Of course, this didn't stop the media from reporting headlines like "Holder vows to press federal probe in Zimmerman case", in a desperate attempt continue milking the case for more drama and scandal. However, all Holder mentioned was that the Justice Department is already investigating this case. This investigation was going on probably for over a year. By now it's fair to assume that it led nowhere, but will be kept conveniently open to produce some kind of visibility of work being done to appease the race-mongers and protesters. Once the media moves on and the protesters get tired, the "investigation" will be quietly closed without anyone noticing it.
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Originally Posted by Spafranco
Exactly...age and size is irrelevant
I am 6'1 and large but if somebody of any size jumps on me and starts bashing my head into the ground they better pray I am not carrying.
Google + 45 seconds of my time = Glaring examples of no freedom of speech in the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Outrageous: Three British men arrested for
Free Speech Is Dead In UK As Arrests Made For Social Media Posts After Beheading | Blue Collar Philosophy
'Free speech' row after man is ARRESTED for posting image of a burning Poppy on his Facebook page on Remembrance Sunday | Mail Online
Woolwich attack provokes anti-Muslim backlash across UK - Telegraph
Crime under Hitler and Stalin was low also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
So for the star witness of the prosecution Zimmerman was a Cracker and a possible Gay, pedophile, rapist......
DRUDGE: JEANTEL WARNED ZIMMERMAN COULD BE GAY RAPIST
And some still claim the Zimmerman was the bigot.
I'm glad we can agree, then. He was never told to stay in his car. He was never told to stop following him, either. in fact, there is more evidence in the conversation that the dispatcher was the one who made zimmerman get out of his car in the first place when he repeatedly told zimmerman to watch Martin to see if he did anything else. How can he do that when he has lost sight of him already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
You know. No matter what you are told or what you are led to believe you will pontificate and spew the diatribe that is endemic of the right wing faction that Zimmerman, ignoring the advice of a POLICE DISPATCHER followed Trayvon Martin. An armed 27year old following a unarmed kid. He looked suspicious? To Trayvon Martin it was Zimmerman that looked suspicious. After all, Trayvon was at his fathers home (staying). Along comes a guy armed with a gun because he thinks Tayvon is up to no good. He is killed and his killer is a free man. Tragic and again a miscarriage of justice. This country is going to hell with the manner in which life is treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.
You mean like this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Father Who Killed Is Freed - WSJ.com
Who murdered a 17 year old unarmed white male who was on public property and no threat to the killer? What did the NAACP have to say about that? Were they clamoring for the justice department to see if the murdered mans rights were vilated? Nope. they wanted the guy of scot free. cause murdering a white boy is A-ok in their books.
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Originally Posted by Spafranco
I'm sure that's what you always say when you get thoroughly owned in a debate.
You mean like this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Father Who Killed Is Freed - WSJ.com
Who murdered a 17 year old unarmed white boy who was on public property and no threat to the killer? What did the NAACP have to say about that? Were they clamoring for the justice department to see if the murdered mans rights were violated? Nope. they wanted the killer off scot free. cause murdering a white boy is A-ok in their books.
One more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
It wasn't a Police dispatcher. it was a 911 operator. A 911 operator is a low-level, government job with no legal authority what so ever.
think of the most inept government employee you have ever dealt with.....now lower their IQ by 20 points....Bam! You have a 911 operator.
A 911 operator would tell a woman who was about to be raped to lay back and enjoy it. That is what they are told to do. They will never tell a citizen to fight back because the cops hate it when people actually protect themselves and 911 operators are paid through the police department.
Repeat after me; "Stay calm...Help is on the way"
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I think it's more of a CYA move than anything else.
Also important to note at this juncture that not only was he never told to stay in his car, but that if he had stayed in his car we have zero evidence that trayvon would not have returned to attack "the cracker" there, too. Zimmerman had already said martin was circling his vehicle.
zimmerman should have wait until the "Punk" was within 20 ft and then shot him. That way is would have still been innocent but without a broken nose and head injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
I find it absolutely amazing that so many people think you should suffer a beating and do nothing about it. I also find it amazing how many people are spouting off and know very little about the case let alone tha laws. Oh and according to Travon's girlfriend we can now use the word Nigga and Cracka without offending anyone.
This is why you have a trial, which is what we have just witnessed. The defense proved that there was more than a boo. There was plenty of physical evidence, witness accounts, and expert opinions corroborating Zimmerman's self-defense account. Everyone was convinced that Zimmerman was being attacked with a life threatening force, the jurors did, and therefore he is justified in using a fire arm in self defense, by the law. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Zimmerman simply looking suspicious could not justify using a life threatening force by Trayvon Martin. On the other hand, it was demonstrated more than well enough that Trayvon Martin applied potentially a deadly force to Zimmerman. Zimmerman was seriously injured and in fear for his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
It's tragic that you refuse to understand that the justice system worked as it was designed, which is by interpreting a set of laws, not your emotions. To convict someone of murder or manslaughter, the prosecution has to prove the guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. The justice system is designed to err on the side of letting a guilty person to go free rather than send an innocent person to jail. This is not to say that the evidence put forward by defense simply cast a doubt on whether Zimmerman was not being attacked, it did more than that. All jurors, as well as most people following the trial closely were convinced that Zimmerman was fighting in self-defense, potentially for his life.Quote:
Tragic and again a miscarriage of justice. This country is going to hell with the manner in which life is treated.
Absolutely not. There are tons of lawyers and prosecutors now saying in the interviews that the state of Florida acted recklessly by charging Zimmerman. Their claim is that Martin and Zimmerman were both of the same race, this case would never reach a trial stage to begin with. The whole trial proceeded simply as a response to the the public outcry and the race-mongering media looking for the next scandal. In other words, there is an argument that the whole trial was politically motivated, contrary to your claim above. Not that I personally support this argument. Under the circumstances (dead body, no direct witnesses), an inquiry in form of a trial could be justified.Quote:
If Trayvon was a blue eyed blond 17 year old kid Zimmerman would be in prison right now.
One important point, and this is where most legal analysts agree, you have a right not to wait until you're "almost dead" to start defending yourself. Zimmerman had the right to defend himself before his scull was actually cracked. A threat to life and fear for your life is more than enough to justify self defense, including shooting a firearm. Forensic experts confirmed in court that Zimmerman shot Martin as Martin was leaning over Zimmerman, with Zimmerman's upper torso and head being pounded against cement ground. Is that not life threading enough to you?Quote:
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[/quote:1rbo5uyl] -----------------I think you are doing what you accuse others of doing. Then after telling him not to follow TM, later when he says he lost track of him, the dispatcher asks him, where did he go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
The dispatcher never said, do not get out of your car.]
This is no different than what NBC did, example: The dispatcher says what race, Hispanic, black or white?
His response is that he looks black
NBC took the “suspicious” statement and added the statement that he looks black, while cutting out the in between portion of the conversation as well as the question asked, so he appears to be saying, he is acting "real suspicious....he looks black" Now they are facing a lawsuit for slander as they should be. :rolleyes:
In any event, the latest in the circus is certain people are pushing hard to have the justice department file on him for racial profiling and a hate crime....Problem is that earlier the FBI interviewed about 40 witnesses and found no evidence of any racial biases . Problem is that the girl he took to his senior prom was black, the problem is that many people he helped were black. Problem is that he mentored black children. Problem is that he used to play basketball at a local rec center with blacks and other Hispanics. Problem is that he took up for a black man who he thought was being harassed by the local police which lead to some problems for Zimmerman.....
And Zimmerman's worst sin??? He is not a right wing republican!!! Oh no!!! He is a registered democrat!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: And he may have some of the same ancestry as Martin, being Afro-Peruvian :eek: But let not the facts get in the way of a media circus that seems to be intent on stirring up as much non-sense as possible. :rolleyes: I am sure NBC is disappointed that there has not yet been any full scale, out of hand rioting. Get a rope, we need a lynching like the good ole days when the Klan ruled the nights in certain parts of the old South!! opps, what is the difference between those folks and Klan? well the Klan was white...the current righteous and indignant, well, the majority appear to be not........