Hulkenberg was amazing, I hope he can battle at the front at least for a while. Sadly he will probably tumble down the order.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
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Hulkenberg was amazing, I hope he can battle at the front at least for a while. Sadly he will probably tumble down the order.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
rumor has it that kimi has signed for ferrari for 2 years $50 mill + an option for the third year
ORF tv is reporting this,, as a strong but unconfirmed rumor
If that is true, let us hope that Hulkenberg gets the Renault seat
things are hotting up
I think Alonso is out, After yesterdays team radio - he's had it. Kimi #1, Hülkenberg gets the second seat and Felipe returns to Sauber.
rumor has it that kimi has signed for ferrari for 2 years $50 mill + an option for the third year
ORF tv is reporting this,, as a strong but unconfirmed rumor
If that is true, let us hope that Hulkenberg gets the Renault seat
things are hotting up
Tr72, if page says 'leave', do so, but CTRL+C your text. The posting subroutine on here is a bit wonky ;)
forum doubleposted my post for some reason :rolleyes:
Forum software is buggy. Not your fault.
If its Kimi and Nico at Ferrari, Massa at Sauber. Maybe Zo will return to his old team a 3rd time? Lotus/was Renault?
Alonso will stay at Ferrari, its not his seat thats in question. Ferrari know his worth and the other drivers anywhere near as good are happy where they are. He is currently irreplaceable. Much though I like Kimi's second stint in F1 (didn't have much time for him the first time round but I'm supporting him this time) he is not quite as capable all-round as Alonso.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
I agree Massa should be replaced, frankly its long overdue. Where I disagree is with this belief that he'll get a drive at another team like Sauber. Why would they want him? He's old enough that he no longer has any potential to improve, we know that he's simply not that quick most of the season and the fact that he can be as quick as Alonso for about 30% of races isn't good enough to compensate. He doesn't bring cash.
He's going to drop out of F1 completely if Ferrari drop him, probably to WEC where he'd be quite decent.
preliminary reports from Spanish and German rags suggest Massa is out and Kimi is in :sailor:
With Fred/Zo. That will be tasty.
A very nice touch from Ferrari to allow Felipe to break the news himself, a bit of dignity not normally permitted in F1.
I agree. I would like to see Massa get one more year out of Alonso's shadow and just see if he has really lost it.
Absolutely.....I was hoping to see Nico at Ferrari, Kimi at Red Bull, but if Kimi goes back to the Scuderia, and Hulkenberg takes his seat at Lotus.....good!Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
But where does Massa go? Back to Sauber? I highly doubt he would go to Red Bull. Since Kimi is off to Ferrari I can only assume that Ricciardo is going to be Vettel's #2.
Hulkenberg to Lotus would be awesome!
Just quoting myself here from a few weeks ago, all I need is Hulk at Lotus to replace Kimi and I shall call myself the oracle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
yup my predictions too are holding true
the only real remaining seat is at STR
if I were them, I would offer the seat back to Buemi and let DaCosta and sainz mature another year
Sauber are in a real pickle IMO 2 paid drivers and IMO 2 poor drivers, Sirotkin doesn't even have a super license
So while they may be financially secure, they are going nowhere with clearly the weakest 2 drivers of the entire grid for 2014
I also have a sneaky suspicion that their 2014 car will be decent.
The smart thing fro them to do would be to hire kobayashi and let Guiterrez and sirotkin share that 2nd seat
Massa is out of f1 IMO. He had one solid year in 2008 with a good car, and TBH without FIA interference would have lost that championship bid, much earlier.
It is a minor miracle that he squeezed out 2 more years from ferrari. I know driving next to Alonso and being relegated to a clear #2 were tough situations, and he should have won in Hockenheim, but there have been enough abysmal performances to warrant his release.
If there were a 13th and 14th F1 team like it was supposed to be, then he would have had a seat for sure. but the FIA and their nonsensical system, along with Max Mosley's stupidity back in the day means we are down 4 driver slots and some decent drivers are on the outside looking in. Petrov, Buemi, Alguersarri, Kovaleinen, Kobayashi, Senna, Valsecchi and now Massa ( to a lesser extend) can all be argued to be still driving in F1.
Unless Massa has a sponsorship package behind him I think he will find it very hard to find a seat for next year. There's too many teams needing money and too many talented drivers around and he's not exactly looking like hot property after the last couple of years.
Felipe may stay at home, and join Barrichello in the Brazilian stock car series.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
True. I don't know where is will end up but there is no hurt in speculating.
I wish that Hulkenberg gets the seat at Lotus. The seats assignments at the top five for the last five years were kind of stale. They were mostly assigned to senior drivers, except for Grosjean and Perez. This needs to change, specially since Massa hasn't exactly set race tracks on fire. He had his long run, and its now time to let the younger drivers have a chance at driving a better car.
I agree, I think it's quite likely that we'll never see him again in F1 after this year. Why would anybody hire him?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Firstly , as he's been no hot property for a while , he wouldn't be asking a high salary .Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Secondly , he's being touted as a great team player , and that is worth a lot .
And , thirdly , and perhaps most importantly , he's coming from a front runner , and knows the Ferrari process for making a team fast .
The problem is Massa's options are midfield teams who are struggling financially and will most likely hire a young charger with some backing rather than a guy who was good in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Absolutely not.....There is some speculation that Massa may wind up at lotus, which I find that to be incredible if that was to happen, especially with Hulkenberg waiting in the wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
I very much would like Hulkenberg to take Kimis seat next year. Nico deserves a good car, as a driver he is on par with the other Nico.
Hulkenberg to Lotus is the least he deserves, he has been good enough to be in a top car for the last couple of seasons.
If Felipe cant get a Sauber seat I think he will be out of F1, I cant see him going to Caterham or Marussia.
If Lotus doesn't pick up The Hulk, which would be borderline criminal, then Whitmarsh would be negligent not to make contact with him.
Is Hulk really better than Perez though. Last year they both did enough to be given the opportunity in a decent car, unfortunately for Sergio this year's McLaren is a long way short of being a decent car. So far this season he has done as well as can be expected, usually bringing a slow car home in or close to the points.
If Renault (sorry I refuse to call the Lotus because they are NOT lotus) don't grab the Hulk, who will they go for? I can't see any other decent driver being available, unless they opt for the experience that Massa could bring, and who knows in a new environment the old competitive Massa might just reappear
I can see why people can't bring themselves to call the current Enstone incarnation by its current moniker, but with due respect it isn't Renault anymore and certainly wasn't the Equipe Renault Elf of yore.
I truly don't expect anyone to pay any notice, but the team in question didn't start life as Renault.
Or Benetton, for that matter.
It didn't even start in Enstone, either, so the E tag on the car is a slightly misleading one, albeit one which indicates, I think, the number of models made in Enstone?
Anyhow, back to the Silly Season.
If Hulkenburg doesn't get the Lotus seat, this isn't Silly Season. It's Really Silly Season.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3003 ... tus-talks/
I want Felipe to get the ride at Lotus so he can finally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is faster, and a much better all around racer than Fred. :dog: :stareup: :stareup: :sailor: :burp:
I would too would like to see Felippe at Lotus, it would be an honest opportunity for him after years as Alonso's sidekick ..
Quite right about their heritage, they are in fact Toleman, but the reason I wont call them lotus is because Lotus are on the cars as a marque owned by sponsors Proton, it would be like calling McLaren a Vodafone or Ferrari a Shell/Marlboro. At least when they were known as Renault, Renault sport did buy the team from benetton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Back to the thread. Looking at how Massa drove pre Alonso, he was fast and consistent, I'm wondering how much being tagged as a number 2 driver has effected his confidence. Sure that aweful incident in Hungary didn't help, but was the accident the thing that really put his career on the back slide. I would love the Enstone team to give him a chance to prove his worth, but I would also love to see the Hulk in a car able to win races as well.
It's also confusing because there have been two different teams called Lotus in the last 3 years. I was reading something recently about a driver being offered a contract by Lotus a few years ago, and I was left wondering whether it meant the team that's Lotus now or the team that was Lotus at the time the offer was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
We could see some fireworks at the next race , as Massa said this to his Brazilian fans the other day :Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
“I will not race for Alonso from now on. From Friday in Singapore I will be working for myself.” .
I agree and Lotus for me in this case is the title sponsor rather than the historical Lotus we know and loved. When I see the Black car of Kimi and Romain I still associate it with Renault as they were the last manufacturer at that team. As long as we know what we mean I don't think it makes too much difference. Lotus, Renault, Enstone team whatever. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Good, maybe he can score enough points to help Ferrari secure 2nd place in the WDC. A win win for Ferrari in my way of thinking :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
For me , it's that last shred of dignity that he had , gone .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
For all the crap he's taken , for being the lap dog , he had my respect for following orders .
With this little pram toss , I could see him turfed before the end , which would be a sad end for wee Mousa .
The spitting Luca is not impressed . It may not take long .
Yeah, DiMussolini already quoted as saying Massa will surely be a team player. I mean why is Massa so pissed about getting axed now? I don't get it
BTW, I hate this new forum look. Hard to determine which thread is the one i want to enter into (they all flow together on the front page). When i'm finally reading through posts, it's hard to discern where one post stops and another one begins. And what is it with all the quotes within a quote within a quote, within a quote??? What happened to the old forum? I may leave (where's my f%&*@ing emoticon?)