Is Fernando Alonso for real?

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15th April 2007, 02:02
race aficionado

he said it . . .

old news probably . . .
but if true, it does answer my question.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3-2007170277,00.html

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“I have been working as hard as I have ever done. From December until now I’ve tried to be with the engineers, tried to understand as much as I can about the car, the approach to the races with McLaren.

“I think we made big changes to the car as well, with some areas where we were under-performing.

“Between us, we improved the car a little bit. But the real gain is the job the designers did with the new car.”

:s mokin:
15th April 2007, 14:41
race aficionado

Que pasó Fernando?

I wonder what happened to Fernando.
NH passed him fair and square and LH was in the top mixing it up and scoring the points.

Car just wasn't as good as he wanted it to be I guess . . . . .

:s mokin:
15th April 2007, 14:46
ioan

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I wonder what happened to Fernando.
NH passed him fair and square and LH was in the top mixing it up and scoring the points.

Car just wasn't as good as he wanted it to be I guess . . . . .

:s mokin:

Well we finally found the answer to your thread, he is for real, so real that a rookie took the same car to 2nd while he only managed 5th getting passed on the track by NH in the process.

He simply couldn't find what Hamilton found this weekend.
But than again there were some quotes by Renault personnel that FA will not be up there this week end as he was never that good in Bahrain, and they surely know him well.
15th April 2007, 14:49
F1boat

He had a bad day, like Massa in Sepang. A LH is not real rookie, after so much testing and GP 2 championship.
15th April 2007, 15:25
truefan72

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Originally Posted by F1boat

He had a bad day, like Massa in Sepang. A LH is not real rookie, after so much testing and GP 2 championship.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

wait a minute, did you just say that...

F1boat, that is too much now.

Give the Rookie his due please.

So in your eyes a Rookie is someone with no racing experience who jumsp in a carthen LOL give me a break, WTF

Ferrari fever has affected your brain.
15th April 2007, 15:27
F1boat

He is no more rookie than JV was in 1996. Terrific driver, but inexperienced he is not. A multiple champion in various series, for such F1 is just the biggest challenge, not something totally new.
15th April 2007, 15:27
BeansBeansBeans

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Originally Posted by F1boat

He had a bad day, like Massa in Sepang. A LH is not real rookie, after so much testing and GP 2 championship.

It is Hamilton's first season in the series, and therefore he is a rookie.
15th April 2007, 15:29
truefan72

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Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans

It is Hamilton's first season in the series, and therefore he is a rookie.

thank you
15th April 2007, 16:57
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

He simply couldn't find what Hamilton found this weekend.

Very true. A somewhat lackluster performance by Fernando. Being beaten by his team-mate and Heidfeld can't help his mood heading for Spain. You begin to wonder whether he's being affected by Hamilton's performances, and the attention being put on them by (seemingly) everyone.
15th April 2007, 17:02
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I think Fernando Alonso is the next Michael Schumacher.

hahahahahaha

When did Schumacher get beaten by a Rookie in the equal car. Actually, when did Schumacher ever get beaten in the equal car by anyone at all?

Lets face it - Hamilton took Alonso today by the balls and beat him with ease. How can one not enjoy that?
15th April 2007, 17:07
ArrowsFA1

There's enjoying it, and then there's using it in the Garry Walker way :rolleyes:
15th April 2007, 17:08
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

There's enjoying it, and then there's using it in the Garry Walker way :rolleyes:

Sorry?
15th April 2007, 17:17
RD.Dutch

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

hahahahahaha

Actually, when did Schumacher ever get beaten in the equal car by anyone at all?

Barrichello
Massa

not a season, but a couple of races
15th April 2007, 17:23
Shalafi

Hamilton just proved my point what I stated earlier. FA is not so great that many people think. Losing to a rookie and having a same amount of points after 3 races without any technical problems is a little embarrassing for 2-time WDC that many think is best driver. Even if Hamilton is an exceptional rookie. He will beat Alonso in standings this year because he will only get better.
15th April 2007, 17:23
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Sorry?

No problem :D

While you enjoy Alonso (a 2xWDC already) being beaten by a rookie today, somehow you think that Massa, who was so comprehensively out-thought and out-driven by a rookie last weekend, will win the title.

Interesting :dozey:
15th April 2007, 17:29
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by RD.Dutch

Barrichello
Massa

not a season, but a couple of races

Name me one race where RB on pure pace beat Schumi, besides austria 2002 where they were equal?

As for Massa - he never beat MS at all on pure pace throughout a race.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

No problem :D

While you enjoy Alonso (a 2xWDC already) being beaten by a rookie today, somehow you think that Massa, who was so comprehensively out-thought and out-driven by a rookie last weekend, will win the title.

Interesting :dozey:

Massa was beaten by a superior car at Malaysia and also by an act of desperation by him.
Today Alonso was beaten by an equal car, driven by a rookie teammate.
16th April 2007, 00:18
truefan72

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Name me one race where RB on pure pace beat Schumi, besides austria 2002 where they were equal?.

I beleive that with all the team orders imposed on Barrichelo that the number might never bee known, but watchiing most of those races I have to say that at least 10 races where he could have beat Schumi .

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Massa was beaten by a superior car at Malaysia and also by an act of desperation by him.
Today Alonso was beaten by an equal car, driven by a rookie teammate.

WTF, didn't he have the podium and Raikkonen the 2nd spot, didn't kimi with a rev limited car manage to catch up to LH at the end?
16th April 2007, 00:34
jso1985

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Name me one race where RB on pure pace beat Schumi, besides austria 2002 where they were equal?

Britain 2003!, Rubens greatest race IMO
and China 2004, Rubens kicked everyone's butt while Schumacher could't even find a way to take turn 1 without spinning

plus Rubens was never allowed to actually race him, I remember Herbert also managed to beat Schumacher a few times.

Not that I'm trying to defend him but the Tv commentators were talking that Alonso had to change the brakes after practice so he wasn't confortable with his brake set-up, does anyone knows more about it?

Evryone has bad days, Schumacher had some and Alonso certainly had one today, yet that doesn't mean he's as good as he is
16th April 2007, 04:17
Ranger

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

As for Massa - he never beat MS at all on pure pace throughout a race.

How about Sepang last year? Back of the grid to beat Schumacher.

Proves that all drivers (yes, even Schumacher) have their bad days, like Alonso today.

But you'll see that however you want so it fits your point of view.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

How can one not enjoy that?

Can't seem to find a happy medium between arse-kissing and hapless criticism, can you? :rolleyes:
16th April 2007, 06:33
PSfan

I wonder if there was any truth to the SpeedTV live report that McLeran dropped something on Alonso's car, or that Alonso did in fact stop on track. Just reviewed by pvr of qualifying, and I'm 90% certain that it shows Alonso walking into pit lane.)

So perhaps, Alonso was forced to have a race similar to Kimi's last race where he had to baby his car. Also perhaps they where gentle on the engine to, just because that lump is gonna have to sit in a crate for 3 weeks until the next race.
16th April 2007, 07:02
F1boat

Hey, hey, everybody can have a bad day. Massa had one last weekend. Alonso this one. You are too quick to write him off.
Indy last year Fred had a bad day too, but in France he made a great race and finished second only to Michael. After Hockenheim he made great race in Hungary. Failures make Fred more dangerous.
16th April 2007, 10:39
Donney

It seems there is some truth about something falling on Alonso's car and having to rebuild it on Saturday night, but Alonso declared that should not be a problem.

PDLR said they changed his brakes prior to the race as Alonso felt the car vibrated heavily when braking.

Other than that Alonso said he didn't feel with comfortable the car after Friday and that they changed his original strategy. Apparently the strategy he used was the one Hamilton was going to use and viceversa.

It was a bad day undoubtedly.
16th April 2007, 11:26
raphael123

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Originally Posted by ioan

It would have been a bit difficult to beat WDCs in your first 6 races in an inferior car don't you think? I said they were there in 91, sorry if it was ambiguous and it looked like I said he beat them in 91.

Exactly. That why I was baffled by your statement that Schumacher apprently 'beat' the greats like Senna, Prost, Mansell and Prost.

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So, he beat WDCs in his first full F1 season, sweet isn't it?

He beat Senna. But as I pointed out, Senna completed 50% of the races :)

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Well Patrese was also on great driver and MS beat him in the same car in his only 2nd F1 season. Not too shabby for a start is it?

If you definition of a 'great' driver = Patrese, many drivers are 'great' drivers. I tend to try and use the word 'great' for describing a driver for the truly special drivers such as Senna, Prost, Schumacher, not Patrese, Berger etc :)

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Well it's hardly MS's fault that those guys chose to retire or had misfortunes.

That's EXACTLY my point. I simply stated Schumacher never raced alongside the greats of the previous era, as they retired. You replied by disagreeing saying that was 'BS - he beat them in 91,92,93'. I've pointed out to you he achieved 95% of his success after 93! I'm not blaming Schumacher for that. Just pointing out the facts.

I'm glad you accepted them :)

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We might never know but maybe Hakkinen was as good as Prost or Senna, after all he showed much promise when a rookie against Senna (I think).

Maybe. I think Mika's accident delayed the initial promise he showed. He was quite a late starter, I think having a competitive car, and coming up against a great like Schumacher definately helped him lift his game.

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Also KR and JPM and other drivers MS raced against might well be of the same caliber as AS, AP, NM and other WDCs. We tend to believe that retired or gone drivers were better without having the slightest possibility to compare them.
We should always compare drivers only against those they raced against and only for the few years they did it in the same time.

I don't think ANYONE in their right mind would say JPM is as good as Prost, or Senna etc. And I say that as a JPM fan myself! Kimi is a different story, though he is taking his time to settle in it seems. However apart from Kimi, who Schumacher raced for a couple of years, and JPM too really (who maybe was as good as Mansell), from 94-2005, Schumacher had no one apart from Mika Hakkinen for 3 seasons. The other seasons his competitors were Hill, Villeneuve, Coulthard, and Rubens. Hardly 'greats', unless you still believe Patrese was a 'great', which then maybe you could make a case.
16th April 2007, 11:54
raphael123

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

hahahahahaha

When did Schumacher get beaten by a Rookie in the equal car. Actually, when did Schumacher ever get beaten in the equal car by anyone at all?

Lets face it - Hamilton took Alonso today by the balls and beat him with ease. How can one not enjoy that?

lol did a team-mate ever get an equal car haha

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