That's a lot of driving for not much competition.
No day time visit to the service park?
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That's a lot of driving for not much competition.
No day time visit to the service park?
Yes it concentrates people into the more easily controlled paying stages because you have less to see if you visit Dyfnant on any single dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Doon
With regard to Fast Eddie's post Chirk is 'announced' not 'confirmed' as there was no public metion of it before!! So what happened to Powys?? If you look at the maps Chirk has even less existing track than Powys - my advice to the cogniscenti - avoid it like the plague!!
This is a disappointing schedule from the point of view of the rally fan however the tarmac stage of the Orme on worn forest tyres should be interesting!!
Dont think they would 'announce' it if it wasnt 'confirmed' ... thats the last thing they would need, to have to cancel and tell everyone the spectator stages are somewhere else...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Its probably why its taken so long as the organisers wanted to make sure of things before they make the big announcement.
And the Official Site says : Route Information - Full Route Confirmed! ;)
I'm not impressed with the choice of spectator stages but just having them up here is a step in the right direction... :)
Given that everyone was certain Powys was to be confirmed, and no one had mentioned Chirk (hence no supposition could be confirmed) it is a semantic nicety that something can be only be announced if not previously the subject of debate. By the way those of us who had the inside track actually knew Chirk was under discussion 2 months ago ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The Dyfnant split is a complete surprise to me though (and unwelcome as I'd intended to be there on Saturday)
Im staying near Dyfnant so i guess i'll just make a day of it. Hopefully a big entry list and the nationals will keep us entertained. Do we know which stages the nationals will visiy?
Was shocked to see Llandegla as QS, ive done mountain biking up there many times and thought it would make a nice stage. I guess Oneplanet Adventure will be closed for the day as it would be hard to control with the cyclist crossing forestry roads. Might even get some snow up there in november :)
I was thinking about going this year but not anymore...
Why no service in the middle of the day making it nearly impossible to see more than two stages a day and almost forcing people to see the spectator stages they way it's set up. Looks more stressful than fan friendly to me.
Is it rallysprint or what? 10 out of 22 SS are less than 10km long...
There's no pleasing some people.... ;)
The organisers were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't.
However, I'm less positive now than I was a few weeks ago. I don't think it's as testing for the drivers as it could have been; certainly in terms of mileage - and having Dyfnant over 2 days isn't ideal. Saying that - I'll be out watching as usual. Our one chance to see the best drivers in the UK.
I do think some of the reaction towards the new route has been OTT - particularly from the journalists.
Having the spectator stages on days 3 & 4 could mean that people miss seeing some big names if there are serious accidents or mechanical issues forcing some cars out on days 1 & 2 (especially the night stages on Thursday could cause havoc) ...
I suppose its done this way as its the weekend but it could be an embarrassment if there are only a couple of top WRC cars surviving by then...
Back in the day most of the spectator stages were on the first day of the RAC Rally which was a Sunday.
Llandegla was a very popular rally venue for years and indeed our club ran a night rally there in 2007...it was all but lost to rallying when the two wheeled crew moved in there but this seems good news indeed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
"Fan friendly" in official context is about entertaining the average joes and not the enthusiasts. Unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Really disappointing itinerary. The route is fine but why rush thing so much both on Saturday and Sunday.
Sunday is impossible to watch more than one stage.Saturday, you are basically forced to stay in a single stage and then risk to go to Kirk Castle, or switch stage and watch just 2.Friday is the only tried and tested route and is fine, but it has been the same for a number of years now.
All this to me have to do with the selection of Deeside as service park, which is too far away from stages.
Don't think its that bad. Extra stage on Thursday is good, even though it's in the dark.
Friday 2 stages.
Saturday it should be possible to go from Gartheiniog 2 to Dyfnant if you leave after the WRCs and definitely possible to go to Chirk Castle or why should that be impossible?
Sunday from Dyfnant to Great Orme should be possible too I think?
So my guess: QS/Shakedown, 1 stage on thursday. 2 on friday, 3 or 4 on saturday and 2 on sunday. So 8 or 9 stages should be possible? Not bad, last year: QS, 2 on friday, 2 on saturday and 2 on sunday.
Gonna miss Epynt though!!
Garth to Dyfnant is 50 min drive under ideal conditions - factor in the walk at both ends and it's going to be tight especially if there are more than 12 WRC cars. Lots of planning time to go until November ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Garth to Dyfnant is a surprisingly long drive and will probably take you over an hour.
Clearly any day there is a rally in town is not going to be 'ideal conditions'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
ITV4 to show two 30 min progs on Fri & Sat of WRGB :)
Thought i'd post a cheeky message on here....if anyone is looking for a co-driver for either the International or National event...(the national event would be easier for me logistically)
Looking for a seat on the above, lots of experience on the main stages being used , very local to the service park so can sort accommodation and secure storage.
Would be happy to consider main event or either national event.
Give me a call
Thanks
Brynmor 07952 592445 [:Y:]
Best of Luck BPQuote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
Really unhappy with the Sunday selection of stages. Even more so that the Dyfnant car park closes early Saturday evening and doesn't reopen until 5am. What's the point in that?! And only world rally pass holders will have access to Penllyn.
So they are going to evict all the motor homes etc. to make them pay 2 stage entrance fees. It'll end in tears!! As for Penllyn -it doesn't have a fence around it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
Where would you park for Penllyn though Phil?
PM because the sneaky swines have cut off the road from Vernwy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth
The Chirk Castle and Kimnel Park stages has been revealed, a bit disappointing if you consider how big the place is and how tiny are the spectator areas.
http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=4f7 ... 7a272a8d12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5Mq5e ... ata_player
On Sunday, the only way to watch more than one stage is to go to Kinmel Park, which might be a disaster as I see it.
Agreed, we were planning to go to Dyfnant 2 on Sun am, but it would be cutting it fine trying to get to Great Orme afterwards :( . Unless you only watch the top five cars
Is this what they call fan-friendly route? This rally getting worse and worse each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talbot
It could have been so different but I suspect they are going for a big financial hit without thought about future sustainability. I posted (can't remember if it was here or on a different forum) as soon as Chirk and Kenmal were announced, that a cursory glance at the OS map showed the limitations of those locations. Now the stage details have been release I think it will be hell for the real fan. Herding into limited designated spectator areas with the prospect of rug rats running around and crashing into you every 5 mins! :hmph:Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
I shall overnight at Dyfnant to take in the Sunday run and by my calculations I can see all the WRC cars (probably only 10 by Sunday) and hopefully Kubica v Evans before leaving to get to Gt Orme in time. It is difficult to see how the World Rally Pass will give value for money as the schedule leaves little time to do more than 1 location on Friday and Saturday. I'm sure some guys may get lucky with the traffic but North Wales' roads on the Sunday Morning could well be hell.
Agree. I don't get it what was wrong with route from 2005-2010 and why they call this year's route fan-friendly. It's unfriendly in every way and as you pointed not value for money. I wrote last year that some one lost the plot with prices and route, I have seen less people in Dixies than on Sunseekers stages. Also including stages with limited or no access to public ( last years) is just ridiculous as well as Chirk and Kenmal circuit style stages that have nothing to do with rally. Organizers can't simply deliver value for money and quality of stages with easy access and good view, instead they rip you off and catlle in small unatractive zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Unfortunately, (or maybe it's a blessing) I can't 'do' the whole event.
As such, I was looking at Sat & Sun day passes. But the way the stages have been scheduled, as we've already said makes it difficult to get to more than one. Especially on the Sunday. :angryfire
At the moment, I'm only thinking about getting day passess for insurance incase a particular planned stage get cancelled.
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From a welshman It's just a joke now,the route is poor but what everyone must understand is the word fan friendly in rallying conjures up all kind of bad thoughts, what there trying to say is bring your whole family and let your kid run round screaming,and listen to idiot who won't shut up on a loud speaker who tells you everything but who's leading oh and we will even put you in a pen for the day 100ft from the stage. There killing it for the proper rally fans, but they haven't so far and won't stop me from doing what I like.
Nice news from Finland, Jukka Korhonen will drive in Wales with DS3 R3T in WRC3. :) His drive in Wales is supported by Citroen Racing, the car comes from Autosport Technology like in BRC. Usual codriver Marko Salminen on the right seat.
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