Hyundai i20 WRC

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29th September 2012, 11:22
mm1

Lindholm was also involved with Peugeot WRC cars
29th September 2012, 11:35
T.Maanteiden kuningas

Pykälistö was Citroen C4 gravel testdriver.
29th September 2012, 12:23
tfp

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Originally Posted by darkstar

yeah, i know. but he had a great aggressive driving style. i still have nice memorys from rallye germany 2007 with the xsara. that was awesome.

I miss Duval aswel. Like Skarderud says maybe he wasnt the easiest to be around, but hes still better than the PR robots we have today!
29th September 2012, 17:15
vkangas

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Originally Posted by darkstar

yes hopefully! the sx4 was really crap. but when you take a look back, suzuki had lindholm as a testdriver. shurely a great driver in national championchip but to get on top in wrc you need someone else. for asphalt testing they could get duval as a test driver(noone was faster then him on asphalt, you can tell what you want!), damn i still would love to have him a comeback :) a great testdriver also could be grönholm.

for the driver lineup my first choice would be sordo. he is shurely also a very good testdriver. and i still think that andersson and atkinson are very good drivers, they could have a chance in my opinion. also hänninen is very good, even on apshalt, but still sticks with skoda. so is mikkelsen, he could be a very good choice. also linked to vw and skoda yet, but who knows. he is still very, very young (only 23 years old, sounds weired to me, because he´s around for so long already, i took notice of him in 2007 first time). östberg also started to convince me this season i must say. and i still think that tänak has a bright future and so is neuville(but he shurely will stick to citroen/psa).

but there are so much other names around at the moment who do a good job. breen, arzeno, abbring, paddon...

Don't underestimate Lindholm as a development driver or overestimate fast competition drivers as developers. The fastest driver can suck in development. To really develop a fast rally car from the scratch the most important people are managers and engineers, not the drivers. Engineers need feedback from the drivers. The skills that are ideal for development drivers are usually the ability to drive constantly with same style (and to alter that style if told so). Good development driver has an ability to "not adapt" to a car if he does not want to give engineers more clear view on actual changes. Especially in the early phase of development program max speed means very little.
29th September 2012, 17:49
Sulland

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Originally Posted by Allyc85

Henning Solberg? Are you guys serious? Move on, he was never that great in the WRC at his peak!

I would have someone like Ostberg with an up and coming SWRC charger in the second seat.

Many feel that Henning never got the break he paid for in WRC. To many times the car stopped due to a part that broke, or settings that never was put correctly on the car from M-Sport.
Anyway, there are two types of good testdrivers, equally fast but;
1: know nothing about the tech aspects of a car but feels the changes and are able to communicate those to the engineers.
2. very technical and speaks the tech language, and comes with ideas for further development.

Not many around in any of these categories, but the engineers need to decide on what type they work best with.
30th September 2012, 00:59
Plan9

Kris Meeke can do both of those things you mention above. He did heaps of work on the Citroen C4, DS3 and Peugeot 207 s2000 cars. We all know how good those cars turned out. Also he did some work on the last Subaru's Prodrive developed.
30th September 2012, 01:08
pettersolberg29

Maybe best not to mention the Subaru one - blots an otherwise good record ;)
30th September 2012, 08:17
darkos

Great to see new car in WRC, they need some decent driver though. Car without a driver wont drive it self.
30th September 2012, 08:46
andyone

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Originally Posted by darkos

Great to see new car in WRC, they need some decent driver though. Car without a driver wont drive it self.

Plenty out there..

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1st October 2012, 01:16
Plan9

I hope people accept Hyundai as a rally brand, as Skoda eventually was, even if it does not do well initially.
1st October 2012, 03:05
pettersolberg29

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Originally Posted by Plan9

I hope people accept Hyundai as a rally brand, as Skoda eventually was, even if it does not do well initially.

Agreed. I had a real soft spot for the Accent and already have a soft spot for the new i20. Think they'll have one good season and then tail off a bit personally, but I can imagine the team will gain a cult following much like the Peugeot 307 even if it's not successful. A thing that would really help their popularity would be if Meeke or another Brit got into it and started competing at the top. Even without bias I feel that the sport is lacking a plucky Brit like Burns so hope Meeke gets a chance with Hyundai.
1st October 2012, 22:48
Plan9

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Agreed. I had a real soft spot for the Accent and already have a soft spot for the new i20. Think they'll have one good season and then tail off a bit personally, but I can imagine the team will gain a cult following much like the Peugeot 307 even if it's not successful. A thing that would really help their popularity would be if Meeke or another Brit got into it and started competing at the top. Even without bias I feel that the sport is lacking a plucky Brit like Burns so hope Meeke gets a chance with Hyundai.

Me thoughts exactly. I saw a teaser vidoe for the i20 on i-Rally and it look okay. It does not sound as iconic and the Mini (twin exhaust pipes) but its a tidy and well presented car. I think the i20 will be quite popular with gentleman drivers as it will probably be the cheapest wrc car. I loved the Accent to; the first Rally NZ I went to Loix let me sit in his car between stages as he could see I was very excited to be close to a WRC car for the first time.
2nd October 2012, 07:24
Plan9

Carry on the company a company tradition alive of cheap cars into motorsport? But of course, no WRC car is ever going to be "cheap" in a conventional sense. Don't all WRC entrant have to produce cars for customers to use?
2nd October 2012, 11:25
alleskids

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Originally Posted by Plan9

I hope people accept Hyundai as a rally brand, as Skoda eventually was, even if it does not do well initially.

Subaru was a cheap brand only for farmers and Japanees. WRC made them hot and popular.
Skoda also was not a highly rated brand, just garbage from east Europe. being a VW brand and rally made Skoda a big and fancy car maker.
2nd October 2012, 11:42
Mirek

I would say being part of VW made Škoda what it is now. Škoda used be involved in rallying through it's all history.
2nd October 2012, 16:11
Josti

Yes, the 130 RS from the seventies was a fine looking rally machine actually, and reliable too.
2nd October 2012, 16:32
Mirek

It actually started long time before ;)

For example this car did Rallye Monte Carlo in 1936 (72 pieces built in 1935-38) :)
http://www.eurooldtimers.com/temp/st..._zoom_4920.jpg
2nd October 2012, 16:52
pettersolberg29

There's a lot of lovely mentions of these classic Skoda's in Graham Robson's 'Monte Carlo Rally: The Golden Age'. A great read to go off topic slightly for a second too!
2nd October 2012, 19:47
OldF

To continue with off topic. A “few” years ahead.

Esko Keinänen Monte Carlo 1961, 6^th place. This was beaten by Armin Schwarz 2001 when he was 4^th. The best results for Skoda is 2^nd in 2010 and 2011.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...einnen1961.jpg

Another pic (I don’t know the year)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...skoKeinnen.jpg
20th October 2012, 04:23
Rally Hokkaido

OK, this is not a WRC car and not even an i20, but this Veloster commisioned by Hyundai Australia is further indication that the parent company is on the way back in to international motor sports.
Hyundai Veloster Turbo Race Concept | Australian International Motor Show - YouTube
20th October 2012, 08:49
Maui J.

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Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

OK, this is not a WRC car and not even an i20, but this Veloster commisioned by Hyundai Australia is further indication that the parent company is on the way back in to international motor sports.
Hyundai Veloster Turbo Race Concept | Australian International Motor Show - YouTube

Here's a bit more info on it.
RallySport Magazine - Hyundai Veloster for Aussie tarmac rallying?
21st October 2012, 18:05
ProRally

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Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido

OK, this is not a WRC car and not even an i20, but this Veloster commisioned by Hyundai Australia is further indication that the parent company is on the way back in to international motor sports.
Hyundai Veloster Turbo Race Concept | Australian International Motor Show - YouTube

Yoda san in action.... ;-)
14th November 2012, 15:37
EightGear

Hyundai holt sich Anregungen*:: rallye-magazin.de
14th November 2012, 16:36
Kielder

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Originally Posted by EightGear

Hyundai holt sich Anregungen*:: rallye-magazin.de

Wilson is always thinking about the same...
14th November 2012, 17:37
navtheace

Guess Hyundai have not got the bodywork guys working on the car yet, look at the missing wheel arch section , lol

The day when rallying goes back to road car only bodywork, the better it will be for all :)

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/uploads...-Visite-02.jpg
14th November 2012, 17:38
dimviii

its a fiesta..
14th November 2012, 17:46
Mirek

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Originally Posted by navtheace

Guess Hyundai have not got the bodywork guys working on the car yet, look at the missing wheel arch section , lol

The day when rallying goes back to road car only bodywork, the better it will be for all :)

lol, are You serious? The car on the picture is Fiesta of Oliveira from Rally Spain and those "missing" wheel archs are cuts for better brake cooling (I presume) which are used on all modern rally cars starting with Focus 03...
14th November 2012, 18:51
HarriK

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Originally Posted by Mirek

lol, are You serious? The car on the picture is Fiesta of Oliveira from Rally Spain and those "missing" wheel archs are cuts for better brake cooling (I presume) which are used on all modern rally cars starting with Focus 03...

Just a little offtopic: But still the rubber mud guard need to be in line with the arch and from top of the arc, because of regulations.
I attached some these mudguards to some of NORF run S2000 Fiestas...
14th November 2012, 18:55
HaCo

So, mudguards are mandatory? So why are these cut-outs in the bodywork? Don't quite understand how this could improve brake cooling?
Interesting subject :)
14th November 2012, 19:04
dimviii

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Originally Posted by HaCo

So, mudguards are mandatory? So why are these cut-outs in the bodywork? Don't quite understand how this could improve brake cooling?
Interesting subject :)

think more about aerodynamics,and stones from spinning to avoid harm fenders or back bumper?Also at muddy rallies less mud at front fender-back bumper?
14th November 2012, 19:11
Mirek

Mudguards are mandatory only on gravel.
14th November 2012, 22:12
br21

heard the rumour that Kris Nissen became head of Hyundai WRC project, can anybody confirm?
27th November 2012, 16:50

Any news on this guys? Nothing on drivers, testing, etc is known... I sincerely hope they come up with a good competitive project.
27th November 2012, 17:24
Donney

Right now I just hope they come up with a project... :dozey:
29th November 2012, 01:56
Motorsportfun

MY SILLY GUESS: At the end of 2013 they'll agree with M-Sport and the new i20 will be based on the Fiesta project. Team HQ will be moved to Cockermouth, of course, while the Ford stuff will be moved to Poland.

Save this message and we'll see what happens... :D
29th November 2012, 14:05
OldF

M-Sport has already their central European base in Poland where they prepare the Academy / JWRC R2 cars.

FIA WRC Academy
29th November 2012, 14:15
PLuto

I dont think that Hyundai would like to give their project to the hands of brittish team, especially after experience with MSD...
30th November 2012, 00:57
Motorsportfun

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Originally Posted by OldF

M-Sport has already their central European base in Poland where they prepare the Academy / JWRC R2 cars.

FIA WRC Academy

Of course, I know they're based already in Poland, in Krakow.

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Originally Posted by PLuto

I dont think that Hyundai would like to give their project to the hands of brittish team, especially after experience with MSD...

We'll see, it's just a feeling...
30th November 2012, 07:34
A.F.F.

My silly guess is that Hyundai project will never happen.
30th November 2012, 08:43
Plan9

my silly guess is Paddon will drive for them and we will find out later that Meeke was the test driver who never got to compete in the i20.

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