Not a definate yet.Quote:
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Not a definate yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasted Talent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...ix-season.html
So that's why she's not on The Gadget Show then?
I think this is the beginning of the end for the BBC, as they have lost Monaco live
Ouch. Bad for F1 in general, it seems to be on a suicide path in the UK :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
While it is a glitz fest, is there ever a really 'great' race or racing at Monaco?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Usually not, but that's not the point it's the marquee event. They just need to make sure they have the British Grand Prix. If they don't have that they might as well give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
That I agree with 100%!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Shows to me at least that BBC are not committed to F1 anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
Last year BBC prided themselves that they would broadcast live British GP, F1's blue riband event Monaco and the last race, only to ditch Monaco at the earliest opportunity.
That and missing the first 2 races of the year live and in full is rather poor
Compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy2k8
They've gained Canada and dibs on the TBC summer race.
The only reason I got the F1 channel is that I was already thinking of upgrading my Sky box to the HD/1TB model anyway, so the F1 channel kind of sealed the deal. If I had to subscribe to Sky Sports then I would have found something else to do with my weekends.
I am not surprised at all, I must say. Viewing figures for football on Sky, for example, are pretty tiny, and in a wider sense take-up for pay-per-view or subscription TV services is still low.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Sky don't actually care how many people actually watch, more how many people have signed up as a result.
According to the figures I have just googled, Sky TV has 10.5m subscribers, and 4.05m watched the Manchester derby, and a peak of just over 1.0m watched the Spanish GP on Sky compared to 4.6m on BBC as they both broadcast the race live.
As I mentioned above, I will watch the race live on BBC if they are broadcasting it, but record Sky for watching later, but watch the post-race coverage on Sky. Maybe Suzi can convince me to stay with the BBC......
I do now watch a lot more sport on Sky, but will still see how things go in 2013 when my half-price deal runs out
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FOTA advocated the deal even Adam Parr was a huge advocate so in that sense I get the feeling are comfortable at sellimg this sort TV package to aevertisers as this TV package has become prevalent worldwide.
Regards to the EPL a lot of advertising around the grounds are aimed at East Asianot to mention that the coverage is also subscription based.
Regards to viewing numbers do they take into account of pubs showing football matches?
Us Europeans sadly have to face the fact that we're no longer the be-all and end-all of F1. Remember when it was basically a European series with the occasional foray to Australia, Japan and Brazil at the extreme ends of the season? That seems like only a few years ago - now it's aimed more at Middle- and Far-Eastern markets. As the global economy has shifted, so has the focus of F1, and I don't think we should get too worked up about what a few UK sponsors think.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
With regard to the BBC, unless there's a drastic cultural shift along with a return to pre-Coalition funding levels, I expect them to drop F1 like a hot potato the moment their contract is up. This almost certainly means Sky showing all the races, and in turn that almost certainly means putting them behind a paywall. It may not be great for the viewers, but it's good for Sky's bank balance and it's good for CVC, so unfortunately that's all that matters.
And the end result of all of this is, surely, a massive decline in the popularity of the sport in the UK. I can see the same happening to snooker when, as is surely (and very sadly) inevitable, the World Championship moves to China and thus is only shown, probably on a pay channel, at an inhospitable time of day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
There's an FTA clause for 'key markets' in the Concorde Agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
It would most probably mean Channel 4 or ITV if BBC dropped F1. But I think the BBC wants to keep F1 and their FTA card in their pocket as they wouldn't have directly negotiated with Sky otherwise negotations would be against a rival FTA channel ie. Ch4.
Indeed F1 shouldn't assume it's popularity is ensured, arrogance will kill you in the end. Look at how the interest in BTCC has dropped off a cliff since the highlights on the main channels stopped. Yes it has full live coverage on ITV4, but it's not convenient for most and a position well down the EPG is a problem.
Well if F1 does disappear from TV, at least I've still got the WRC to watch...
Womens Rambling Club???Quote:
Originally Posted by TMorel
I wouldn't be so sure..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TMorel
Henners, your criticism is harsh on Sky.
Sky is an easy target as they hold iron grip on sports rights.
If I were to point fingers then it's indefinitely at the BBC for colluding with Sky as Sky bid was similar to £50m offered by Ch4.
BBC still have a competitive coverage an envious compared to similar FTA/Pay TV coverage. Thouh if BBC keep F1 then it won't be long when we join our continental counterparts
Hard to believe but we have to accept that live and FP content will/is premium service.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Don't be bitter - certainly not. You are a better man because you have clearly set your priorities to cost/expenditure very much in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
But it hasn't happened yet, and it might still not. I believe free-to-air TV to be vital in any market of significance for any sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Oh there will still be FTA as that is important for the sponsors but it will mostly be highlights just like we now have with football.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Live sport will come at a premium and I'm not against paying a few tenners a month for quality sports broadcasts.
Sky did OK for the first year but must improve.
I like how we get for the first time in years proper coverage of the winter testing and the F1 show is also a nice addition.
Expected more from Brundle's features pre-race but that may have to do with teething problems.
BBC losing Monaco is a bad thing and so is them possibly only having 9 races live this year as the Tba race doesn't materialize.
I don't have Sky nor cable. Track days have a higher priority for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I loathe the Murdoch empire. I wouldn't touch The Sun with a barge pole though admittedly I'm partial to having a peek at my sister's copy of The Sunday Times.
All very well moaning about Sky screwing the fans over when it was the BBC who screwed the fans over. The option was there to deal with Ch4 - whose bid was similar to Sky - and keep F1 FTA but no, the BBC would rather keep FTA rights as their own card and collude with Sky.
Formula One could have stayed on terrestrial TV but Channel 4 bid was snubbed - Mirror Online
Revealed! Channel 4's last-ditch bid to keep Formula One on terrestrial TV - Mail Online - World of F1 with Phil Duncan
I don't like it either but have to accept the likelihood that it will happen in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
That's how it is in some countries.
If BBC do keep F1 will it be of the same standard or will cost cutting come from the coverage?
Indeed there are sporting events like the Ryder Cup and Ashes that have a similar arrangement.
Yes, I agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Sorry to repeat my previous question, but why is this so?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
There would certainly be cuts, you could be sure of that. How much, I wonder, could be saved by cutting all the red-button stuff, all the analysis, the presenter, and just showing a live race with two commentators and a pit lane reporter?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
As for the last point, I wonder what the viewing figures for the Ryder Cup and Ashes highlights on terrestrial TV are.
Unfortunately its going to be a different way of following the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Fortunately there's more to motorsport than F1.
I honestly don't know. Country specific, case by case basis? I can't remember what our Scandinavian counterparts reasoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Sky Italia have taken Sky UK as precendent and replicated a similar deal to us in Italy. Italy follows UK in F1 pay TV deal with SkyJames Allen on F1
This would certainly be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
In Germany, I'm pretty certain that it remains on RTL, free-to-air, for all races.
Well, I agree on the mostpart on your sentiments towards the Beeb - but you acannot fault them for what they did. Just because they are being forced to cut costs why should they ditch F1 if a deal can be done. It is, as always, the head folk that cream all the money off - look at the Entwhistle payoff as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Whilst I watch very little of the myriad channels on my Sky HD subscription, I do get to watch all the mainstream stuff in HD, and this does make quite a difference. The sound is much crisper too.
I've generally been dissapointed with the F1 coverage, but that is a moot point, as I can see all the FP's and the qually and race in full and HD. I will no doubt ring up to cancel my subscription in March, with a view to getting a discount - as my ADSL is up for renewal in September, and I am at my wits end with TalkTalk, so will probably go with Sky and get a better allround package and the value that may well give.
Yes, I wonder if that bit will be re-negotiated to allow BBC 10 live races?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalie.S
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Personally I'd be quite happy if they did that. I generally don't watch the pre-race stuff anyway (and what I have seen has been pretty valueless, whether it was on ITV, BBC or Sky). While I liked the BBC post-race forum, I'd rather have live race coverage and no post-race than highlights with extensive post-race analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
That commentators-only style of coverage works well for Eurosport with MotoGP (and they don't even have a pit lane reporter any more).
My all-time favourite BTCC coverage was when Motors TV used to do the whole meeting live, with no studio or presenters, just the commentators and the circuit cameras. You could watch all the support races, and you even got to see the marshals sweeping and the recovery truck collecting the crashed cars between races! It was like actually being there, except you could see all the way round the circuit and the refreshments were cheaper.
The trouble with that kind of coverage is that while it appeals to the dedicated motorsport fan, you probably can't get away with it on a mainstream channel like BBC1 where you need to attract a mass audience.
There's currently no ratified Concorde Agreement - that's the scary thing. All the teams have agreed to it "in principal", but the old one expired on 31 December 2012 and the new one hasn't been signed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Shouldn't have piddled all that money away on a phone then :p ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
That's entirely possible. The billion dollar question is: do the promoters care? If it were your business, would you sacrifice the (big) UK market for the (potentially massive) Eastern one, even if it meant alienating your most loyal customers? Sadly I suspect the answer is yes - in both cases. To them, it's all about the bottom line, and understandably so I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Harry Hill needed to sort this one out please.....!! ;) :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
In which case, the best option is to find a solution which suits both, which I'm sure can be done. To do otherwise strikes me as utterly counter-intuitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Sorry, did the :p and the ;) not show up on my post? Lighten up! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88