Fastest in Q1 and Q2? What's that got to do with the price of fish?
Q1 and Q2 are all about getting through whereas Q3 is when they race at the fastest pace possible. You don't get points for Qualifying but even if you did, Q1 and Q2 are irrelevant.
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Fastest in Q1 and Q2? What's that got to do with the price of fish?
Q1 and Q2 are all about getting through whereas Q3 is when they race at the fastest pace possible. You don't get points for Qualifying but even if you did, Q1 and Q2 are irrelevant.
The thread question infers the decision is up to Michael, not Mercedes, but isn't it more likely that as happened in 2006 the team will make the decision for him?
He is suggesting that if there wasn't miscommunication between the pitwall and Schumcher leading to him missing his final run he would have been able to qualify much higher than he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
He may think he's being amusing, outspoken, iconoclastic or whatever, but in truth he's just plain rude. I don't think this is a positive trait in anyone. jens is quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I think a decision to get rid of him on the basis of his having just two points at this stage would be highly unfair. If he can string together a run of results of whatever kind in the second half of the season, then he can be judged on that, but not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I think the fact that Brawn is continuing his position within the team beyond this year suggests that Mercedes will place faith in Michael making the correct decision with his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
The issue here is the future of Mercedes. They have to hire a driver for future seasons based on potential, how are they going to perform in subsequent seasons. Not keep a very old driver (by F1 terms!) until he performs like Hill in '99 or Coulthard in '08. IMO such kind of situations should be prevented, before you know you have hung onto a driver for too long already.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Considering Schumi's improvement over this season I find it highly unlikely that he will end up like Hill or Coulthard anytime soon. He's now matching his teammate more often than not and he is improving all the time. For a 43 year old it is nothing short of impressive. I don't think that he will reach the point of slowing down anytime soon. If anything he is getting faster and faster again :) Great to see. If Mercedes can just give him a reliable car now that would be great. Amazing really that he could be in championship contention were it not for all his failures this year along with that one mistake in Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Hill won a race in late 1998 too and seemed to be on top of his game. A slump can happen suddenly and unexpectedly like we have seen with Button. And at Schumacher's age he is more prone to drops in performance.
That's one example, but there isn't a science which says when your 44yrs, 32 days 4 hours old you'll suddenly become a slow f1 driver. Sorry felt like laugh :) But he has only got better in his return, and I don't expect him to leave at a point when the car could be a solid contender next year.
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Agreed :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Impressive it may be but age is irrelevant, as are past performances. Sentiment, we are always told, has no place in F1 never better illustrated when Ferrari put Badoer in their car. Performance and results are everything..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Schumcher has shown a lot more pace this year although whether this pace would have developed into the results people seem to assume is very subjective. Certainly, Paul Hembury was very impressed with his performance in Monaco and is tipping him for a win in the European GP. Wishfull thinking IMHO but he's entitled to whatever he thinks.
Someone made the points comparison on another thread about Button V's Hamilton. Worth noting that Nico V's Schumy is 298 V's 150.
At the end of the day, reliability and luck tends to even itself out and lets face it, Schumy had a lot of luck earlier in his creer but being outscored by your team mate by 2:1 over 2.5 years is a consistant trent in my opinion and I don't even rate Nico as a top flite driver.
dunnell will get you for that bad spelling comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
But obviously I agree with your post.
Chop Chop will cause some mental anguish to quite a few people here still :DQuote:
BTW Garry, I like post #122 but give up on Chop Chop. He's well done. ;)
I hope you had a good weekend and didn't get too drunk :Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
:laugh: Normal qualification is resumed. He has his old team mate behind him and Alonso in front. The potential for crashing is HIGH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
While Schumacher's return has not been a failure I do think it is time to step aside. Paul Di Resta is now a much stronger driver and a prospect for the future who will put Rosberg under pressure and in turn move Mercedes towards the front on a more regular basis
Consdering MS took a podium today, dare I say, it isn't looking like your post was exactly a quality postQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul Crossling
http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Alonso, Vettel and Michael.
He benefitted from some great fortune otherwise would have been 7th or less. Strong drive but he was very lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Usual quality of posting from you Garry. :p
He drove well and kept calm through all the chaos and deserved his podium. Lets hope this changes his luck and he can get a win.
Considering how much bad luck he has had, it was high time he got some good luck this year :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
As usual, I have to teach you how things really are :p
Who thinks Schumacher finally should retire?
Mark Webber...
Yes and so did Alonso, Kimi, Webber, Rosberg, Paul Di Resta, Hulkenberg or pretty much the top 10, he had already overtaken Hulkenberg before Maldonado and Hamailton came together, and was running 5th, so no he woudn't have finished 7th, and he probably would have overtaken Hamilton too if he raced till the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I am never one to buy into the luck arguement.
Look back over F1's history and over half the races have had leaders retire probably.
So One third of race winners probably have been lucky. It doesn't devalue it. It is part of motorsport. Build a car to last the race and have a driver who doesn't make many mistakes.
To finish First, First you must Finish.
He was lucky in that one race. He deserved it after so many rotten races.
Given the right circumstances, he could win a race before the year is out.
Well, this thread is awfully quiet lately.
I clearly still has it. The car is not awesome and people talk about Rosberg pummelling him. But he has retired 5 times to Nico's 0. 4 of those times were car faults and one a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
In 3 of the 4 races he has finished he was ahead of Nico. It was only Nico's great win in China that stands out. It was a great win, but remember Michael was running high up early on 3rd I think. But retired.
So I think they are equal really.
Even yesterday, while Mercedes car was terrible, Michael battled so hard and drove a tough race, while Nico was trailing around with the Toro Rosso's.
Michael Schumacher = Class.
Yeah, in Australia he qualified 4th with Rosberg 7th, was quicker in the race and would have finished 5th probably. Rosbger was on course for 8th till he lost that.
In Malaysia Michael was 3rd on the grid with Rosberg 8th (becoming 7th). In the race Michael collided with Grosjean and that wasn't necessarily even his fault. He may have finished only 10th, but notice despite his setback he still finished 29sec ahead!
China was the only race in which Rosberg had a convincing advantage over Schumacher, though Rosberg deserves big credit.
In Bahrain Michael was not really much slower in qualifying, but probably equal or sloghtly quicker in the race (just like a typical 2011 race) but Michael had to start from the back through no fault of his own.
Another 2011 style race in Spain with Michael a bit behind in qualifying but matching Nico's pace in the race? (I don't know I didn't watch)
Michael was quicker all weekend in Monaco, and given the that Nico Rosberg hounded Webber all the way in the race and spoke of having a quicker car, and given that Michael tends to do better in races than in qualifying compared to Rosberg, it is not unreasonable at all to suggest he could have, and probably would have won.
In Canada Michael matched Nico and may have edged him without any problems. I certainly don't believe Nico had much advantage there.
In Valencia Michael was slightly slower by his own admission in qualifying, but finished 3rd in the race. Rosberg was 6th.
At Silverstone Michael fairly creamed Rosberg, had over +0.5sec faster race lap and finished 28sec ahead (also average of more than 0.5 sec/lap). Michael also gridded 3rd, 10 places ahead of Rosberg.
Conclusion: Nico was only clearly better in China.
Michael was clearly better in Australia, Malaysia, Monaco and Silverstone.
On balance, the rest of the races are pretty much even?
Yet people will tell you Nico is running rings around Michael...
Thank you, a pretty fair assessment, I'd hate it if he retires or if he finds a car as slow as this next year, in all honesty he would have won and done much more had this car been better this season.
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One podium isn't much to talk about :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
That's actually a really great assessment. It sums up exactly that team battle. To me, Schumi has been the better of the two drivers so far this season, and incredibly unlucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
Aw thanks, but I do feel I've been a bit harsh on Nico.
But Michael's racecraft does seem to have improved. The only thing he's done wrong this year is crash into Senna IIRC, and possibly his part in the collision with Grosjean.
In year 1, his average +0.4sec qualifying gap to Nico and scoring half his points was representative of Schumacher's true level.
In year 2, though Michael did start ahead again only 4 times, the average gap was more like +0.2sec. But the races were much improved and he would have outscored Nico last year, but for rusty racecraft. This was totally understandable to me, and in most of the incidents, the errors were caused by being just a few percent out, meaning only a slight improvement could have cut out most of them there and then.
This year, the mistakes have indeed been mostly cut out, and now it's bad reliability (even by 80's/90's standards it hasn't been good) that's robbed him so badly. In the best case scenario his results could read
5th, 6th(?), 2nd, 7th, 8th, 1st, 3rd, 7th = 92pts
Nico's might be
8th, (no pts), 1st, 5th, 7th, 2nd, 6th, 6th, (no pts) = 77pts
And in qualifying Michael has already matched his previous years tally of outqualifying Nico 4 times - and we are less than halfway through 2012. The average gap is also much smaller now, I'd say Michael is +0.1sec slower now.
James Allen in saying on his blog, very confidently, that Shumacher has signed with Merc for another year and he'll be staying put.
No. I was wrong about Mike, and he can keep up with Nico. He's REALLY had some bad luck this season.
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^ Its a shame that it needs to rain for the cars to get sideways - less aero more sideways, pleeeez :)
Ok, back to the thread...
I really was thinking that in those first two years, that he was destroying his image of being the best F1 racer ever, after failing to take much of anything to notice.
However, the poor man really has had some horrid luck this year, but for the past several races, he has hit form, changing my opinion. :D :idea: I wonder if he can retain his former glory, as it would be a wonderful sight to get to see!
Aside from Nico's win, Michael's experience is showing excellently and it is very apparent that he has still got it in him, in contrast to the previous two seasons. :roll:
Dream on people. He's had a couple of OK races in a car that is capable of winning. The podium he got was a fluke but well done to him. However, his team mate is mediocre and he still struggles.
Points make prizes or have we forgotten that.
Yeah, but it wasn't his fault his gearbox packed up in Oz, The Pit Stop was messed up in China, the Dumb Racing Solution failed in Bahrain and Canada and something else went wrong in Monaco (is it so unreasonable to suggest he could have held Webber behind him - not like he hasn't done it before, and also DC did just that in 2002 and Bernoldi did it in 2001?)
Only in China was Nico definitely quicker in race conditions.
Only in China, Bahrain, Spain and Valencia was Nico definitely quicker in Quali.
In Silverstone qualifying, he could have easily been on pole, alonso and webber both did several laps on inters before setting their fastest time, Michaels P3 was on his first flying lap, he definitely got it.