Great link. Thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
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Great link. Thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Lotus is supposed to be launching right now on Autosport.com and LotusF1Team.com but neither appear to be working.
It is here though: http://www.youtube.com/user/lrgptv?blend=1&ob=0
Not working for me either But i've just seen it now and they've gone with the ugly nose concept too, either McLaren have got around it cleverly or they've missed a trick hereQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
Another nice MARCA link with some head turners . . . . :
The ugliest F1 cars in F1 history:
MARCH TABLA DE SURF - Fotogalería - MARCA.com
This nose again!Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
We have reached a certain point: from now on, people complaining about the nose are more annoying than the nose itself.
Yet somehow with that livery they pull it off... Looks better than the Lotus Indycar!
I personally don't mind the new car designs. I like the different styles. i.e Force India looks better than Ferrari despite the same style of nose, Mclaren have gone a different route, lets hope the remaining teams have a few different ideas.
lotus looks nice
despite the nose
you just can't go wrong with a black and gold livery
RB8 Unveiled On February 6
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Red Bull Racing’s 2012 challenger will be revealed on redbullracing.com on Monday, February 6 at 1pm UK time.
Boss admits launch McLaren had
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Martin Whitmarsh has admitted that the launch version of McLaren’s new MP4-27 car featured a dummy diffuser and ‘plastic’ exhaust exits.
With exhaust-blown diffusers effectively banned for 2012, the big technical talking point will be how the designers claw back that lost downforce.
Quality. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
No trick been missed as I see it. In 2011, high noses were allowed, and most teams followed the high nose philosophy to maximise the airflow under the nose and to the underfloor/diffuser. McLaren had found a solution that did not require such a high nose, and even though they were allowed to run such a high nose, they chose not to and still had the/one of the fastest cars out there in race trim.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
FFWD to 2012 and those teams with the Barbara Streisand/Fiat Multipla noses have clearly continued this under nose airflow philosophy, and in order to achieve this within the rules we wind up with the glorious hook nose. There is no way in hell that the step is not gonna cause an airflow interruption.
McLaren have merely continued on their merry way with their own philosophy. No panic methinks.
With so many teams leaving the nose bump up in place, it must be of less aerodynamic concern than we think it is. I'm sure even the smallest team could do some better blending than that. I'd like to see some wind tunnel smoke trail testing and see just what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
First impression is that those bumps really take away from the lines of the cars, but as more cars lauch it seems to be less distracting on some.
Sauber not bad, the low noses look less bad on some cars than others.
Red Bull at 1pm UK time (2pm CET)
If they want the larger free space under the nose, they have no choice, and the stepped height change, due to the regs, presents their 'best compromise'.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
If such an angular step in the airflow was not an issue, they'd be driving around in barn doors!
Red Bull stepped too.....
Could be the ugliest year in F1 for a while
WT
loads of wishful thinking from the McLaren's fans going on here... don't worry guys.... It might work or maybe it's a nose just for show....
Whichever car does eventually win the championship, I guess it'll 'win by a nose'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Ba dum....................
...........tisssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :laugh:
The Dallara Indycar looks better by the day :p :
I like the Sauber. I like the slightly more interesting livery, although I would like to see a return of the old Blue, Green and Yellow Livery (1996-2005)
As for Red Bull, all I have seen is a dark video and drawings. Has anyone got a link to a photo.
LOL way to predict doom & gloom even before the first testQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
I think mclaren are smart here
they are doing their own thing and we will see after the first (and possibly second test) where things shake out.
And I'm sure they have a back up plan with that ugly step nose if need be, but for now, they need to focus on their own thing.
The way I see it, these teams are trying to figure out what mclaren did with the low nose in 2011 which was well within the 2012 rules and they still were pretty darn fast and competitive.
BTW, I thought these teams were suppose to design cars independently and yet somehow, without collusion or talking to each other they all "miraculously" came out with the same exact step nose solution to the car.
I guess Max Moselsy wasn't far off with his idea of a standardized chasis in F1.
With the EBD's gone for 2012, and the new nose regs, the easiest way to get the most air around/under the car is by having a nose as high as possible. That is what, thus far, most of the chaps have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Only the Maccas, who already had a low nose anyway, have continued on their own path.
The RB looks to have an inlet incorporated into the nose height step.........
That's odd. So you think F1 teams with multi million pound wind tunnels and some of the worlds most talented aerodynamicists might know more than the posters on this forum? Smoke trails! Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
The key point the wind tunnel guys will want to know is;Quote:
Originally Posted by shazbot
Does the benefit of running a high nose outweigh the turbulence caused by the boil on the cars nose?
The answer must be yes, obviously. But the behaviour of a wind tunnel is different to the real effect on a race track.
In my experiencd the area of the chassis being discussed is fairly insensitive aero wise believe it or not.
Some sort of cooling inlet or aero device on RBR8?
http://www.f1talks.pl/wp-content/gallery/rb8/rb8_08.jpg
RBR blowing rear brake ducts
http://www.f1talks.pl/wp-content/gallery/rb8/rb8_12.jpg
Could be to stall the flow and cause the following airflow to spill over and around the side of the nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
They've had the low nose concept for years but also struggled with getting to grips at the start of the season with rear downforce and rake and understanding its narrow window. McLaren have generally never been quick straight out of the box in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
So will the new nose be a help or a hindrance?
As for the noses I've started to grown accustomed to them. Like the narrow rear wings they look odd and ugly to begin with.
I'm an enthusiast and not an aerodynamicist but it appears it's a funny way of doing it. I've read somewhere Ferrari's blunt approach was the optimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I thought that too but changed my mind again when I saw them on track:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Photos - Lotus E20 first run - GPUpdate.net
Photos - Sauber C31 first run - GPUpdate.net
Could this some how be directed towards the diffusser. Not reading the rules to well. I know exhaust blown diffusser are banned, but is this some way around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Geezus! How much movement in that front wing on the Lotus was Renault. It's about as extreme an angle as the Costa Conwhatsitsname!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
After Red Bull revealed the same nose, maybe that's really the best decision, but on the other hand, McLaren might have been doing their own and better thing, as truefan said. I think that we won't know the truth until Q3 in Oz, because in recent years testing has become notoriously unreliable indicator - Red Bull sandbagged in 2010 and McLaren looked crap last year, if only to come as a decent challenger. For me it is also interesting what are Mercedes GP doing - the fact that they are so late maybe hints for even more original solutions. These designs, however, have made the new season more interesting for me and maybe a tad more unpredictable. Obviously the new rules forced the teams to change their designs - which means that a new order might appear!
:rolleyes: I didn't make any prediction there :rolleyes: In fact my point was we should wait and see if it works or if it's the 'real' nose and not just a nicer one for the presentation... before explaining already why it's betterQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
McLaren did their 'own thing' last year too - with the sidepods. In the end it didn't turn out to be the best car, but was still pretty good, even if they were having troubles in testing. Had McLaren gone with conventional sidepods in 2011, is there a reason to think the season would have been notably different? So in the end the nose itself may not make that much difference at all and most probably the defining factors, which decide the ranking of the teams, lie elsewhere.
Torro Rosso:
http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/192108.jpg
Looks a lot like an Red Bull RB7 with a new nosecone. Designed "in house" my a$s....