Manufacturers sure know more than us. They started working months a go...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
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Manufacturers sure know more than us. They started working months a go...Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
More than the old S2000? Or even more than current S16T? If not and fast enough: good chance of succes. Look at current R3T, they sell very well.
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Please can modeerateur change title to R5 news, now FIA has made up their mind?
thank you.
Please help
Who in here can rename title of thread from R4T to R5 news?
moderateur or administrateur has the rights to do,this?
Thread title changed :)
Thank you! 😁
How far is Peugeot and the others on their R5 projects ?
As i know Peugeot is the only brand working on R5 recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Skoda wait for the new Fabia release.
And Ford actually no idea if they go on with a Fiesta R5 right now.
All three have been working on R5 cars for months.
But if all three have buildt cars and have been testing, where are the pictures and films?
Skoda had a perfect way of doing it when they developed the S2000 car a few years back?
Have anyone seen the new cars or pictures of them or is all a secret?
The first "prototype" of Peugeot was scheduled to be shown this month, however with all the delays I dont think we will see it for awhile.
Maybe at the press days of the Mondial de l'Auto in Paris :confused:
I haven't said they already built a car (maybe they did but I don't know). I said they have been working on development for several months (I'm pretty sure about that). Anyway it is possible to keep tests secret till some phase when You need to start changing a lot of testing locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
First teaser(and first press release) of the future 208 R5 on Peugeot Sport | Facebook :cool:
Can't wait for the 27th september now :bounce:
If this new R5 208 will be anything shown in this link, it will be very cool looking car :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Does that look like a silhouette of a DS3? Same chasis? (forgive me I am going off of pictures and my visit to Rally San Remo last year, we have neither Citroen or Peugeot here in the states)Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
From R-Classes News.
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Originally Posted by OldF
This is the drawback to have two similar threads in two different sub forums (European & WRC). I’ve should have post on the R5 News instead of R-Classes News but at that time I didn’t remember that a R5 News thread exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by bf1_IRL
defenetly! very nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
3000kms must be about engine which is feasible.
@Dimviii
How many km is it for a N4 between engine rebuilding?
You can do a whole year + tests without rebuild easily(1500-2000km).We are talking about a normal motor as the evo you can buy from Mitsubishi except some studs.Its possible to run for more kms,but inspection will save money from an possible failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Thanks Dimviii.
So, with the news/rumours about 208, Fabia and Yaris, we're up to three projects. Is anybody else working on R5?
Here's one example, not confirmed thou ... http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...ml#post1064950Quote:
Originally Posted by kober
That would be Yaris from the three above. I don't know for anyone else though... May be VW in Russia :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
AFAIK M-Sport is working on R5 too. Most likely these cars will have big sales like the S2000 so in some way it's a must for the manufacturers. Don't worry.
News from the man responsible in FIA for R5 development in this weeks GPWeek
http://mag.gpweek.com/?startpage=35&iid=68123
The bigges news for me was that DI can be used. I thought it was to be normal injection, to save cost.
Other issues to save cost, simple standard 5 speed gearbox, and simple 4wd system. Same with suspension, only McPhearson and interchangable front/rear, smart.
Lets see what the real price will end up with in the end!
The link doesn't work...
In my opinion direct injection can be used only in case the stock engine has it. In that case it is easier to keep stock solution. For example PSA/BMW EP6 CDT is DI engine.
Junior teams or cars from the works team is a very good idea. It works i racing, so why not in rally?
The article in GP Week: GP Week : Issue 167, Page 1 .
Intriguingly, it claims that Citroen is planning an R5 car (which would obviously be in competition with the Peugeot 208 R5). It is reported elsewhere in the issue that Citroen is applying to the FIA to build an 'S2000' (R5?) specification DS3 at the behest of Nasser Al-Attiyah, so that he can drive it in the Middle East Rally Championship.
DS3 S2000 was homologated already on 1st Janury 2011. It is not possible to homologate WRC Kit without homologation of S2000 car. WRC Kit is only an extension of S2000 homologation and can't exist alone. Nasser was entered to Rally Lebanon with DS3 S2000 but in the end he didn't start officially due to safety issues (Qatar government asked its citizens not to travel to Lebanon).
Yves Matton already some time a go claimed they would build both 208 and DS3 in R5 spec. with DS3 coming later. There are strong rumors about Citroën leaving WRC after Loebs retirement being replaced by Peugeot. Just a swap of playgrounds for PSA brands.
I just hope R5 will really be much cheaper, that is what rallying really need! If not, it's useless. Every time they create a new category it brings new costs (development etc), so the cars become more expensive. It's time to keep the regulations stable for a few years, so manufactures don't have to start all over again every 2 years...
FIA has set the max price for R5 to 180 000€.
Peugeot Sport Teases New 208 Type R5 Racer with 280HP Prior to Paris Motor Show - Carscoop
Looking in retrospect, the 268 000€ pricecap on S2000NA from 2006/07 has been kept pretty well, all considered. Lets hope production numbers on R5 will make sure the same thing happen here!
180 000€ is still a lot of money, and the first number we heard for R5 was as far as I remember was 100 k €, so it has risen a lot during the planning phase....
Lets hope the regs stay for at least 5 years with smaller adjustments!
But with 400NM from 2500 rpm, S2000NA and R3 will still be my favorites seen from a pure sound perspective !! :p
Every problem actually has two point of view. A sport in which manufacturers are engaged (almost any kind of motorsport - rallying completely as homologations are required) needs a restart from time to time. Every period has basically same story - first few manufacturers testing new rules, after more others joining the competition, later first unsuccessful starting to fade away and in the end only two or three most successful contenders stay which means the proper competition is ruined. No new manufacturers join because they can't afford spending several years learning how to catch those established best ones without much chance for early success. For that reason from time to time new regulations are a must. They partly equalize the conditions and give a chance to newcomers to successfully join the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Well, I believe a manufacturer that doesn’t have a DI engine today are developing or are going to develop a DI engine. Going green today is the trend, the same power with less fuel consumption, less pollution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The “world engine” is not allowed and I don’t think any manufacturer is going to develop a DI engine just for the purpose to homologate a R5 car. All the new DI engines will emerge the natural way.
With a same size restrictor (same amount of air) for a DI engine and for example a MPI engine, I believe the DI engine has an advantage because the efficiency is better for a DI engine. More power & torque with the same fuel (air) consumption.
I don’t know if I’m right about this but if I’m, using a MPI engine should be compensated in some way (bigger restrictor?).
And also a simpler LSD. Make things simpler and save costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Draft Regs here: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...06.2012%29.pdf
It's strange that there are always two sets of rules for same car. These general ones and than more specific homologation regulations which usually aren't officially presented on FIA website...