60k is double what Ft Lauderdale is going to get ...
Plus the cash flows sideways ....
We've seen the Baltimore mess ... Can the series really survive another fiasco?
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60k is double what Ft Lauderdale is going to get ...
Plus the cash flows sideways ....
We've seen the Baltimore mess ... Can the series really survive another fiasco?
I love oval racing, especially on the flat 1mile tracks, but Milwaukee, New Hampshire and LasVegas were anyhing less of a fiasco? We don't know how much those three races lost, but I can guarantee they did. There were more people in attendance in Baltimore than all three ovals combined. Baltimore lost money due to poor management, not a lack of attendees or local suport. Everyone is so willing to give New Hampshire, Milwaukee, and Las Vegas chance after chance after chance. Why???? Haven't all three tracks PROVEN there is no Indycar fan base at any of them. None of the three has EVER pulled a crowd for an indycar event. The last time any of them did was in the 90's as CART races. The split alienated one hell of a lot of fans and rit;s painfully obvious, they aren't coming back and the ADDgenerations simply don't give a rats behind about oval racing. We're talking 15 years of apathy there. If Indycar is going to race at tracks like that, then everyone might as well forget about TV, major sponsorships and top level drivers. They might as well run tube frame sprint cars and charge $12 a head for that kind of a crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Well, the attendance at Las Vegas was worser than at Milwaukee and New Hampshire. New Hampshire wasn't even that bad. How the hell no one is attending those races? I mean Texas always has a "good" attendance, why Milwaukee, Las Vegas and New Hampshire are failing that much then? Maybe Las Vegas should've been a night race anyway. They could try this with Milwaukee. I'm one of the "new guys" in IndyCar racing, and as much as I like road/street racing, it's nothing like racing on a 1 mile, a 1,5 mile, a 2 mile or a 2,5 mile oval.
40k at Baltimore just isn't enough....
80k for a few years to pay the infrastructure...... Buzz wheres off and you Settle into a nice 50 or 55k and the event can make it......
The 15-20k the ovals are getting and/or the 40 ft Lauderdale is likely to get are getting the series it's teams and the racers no where .....QUICK
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Originally Posted by nigelred5
What we got here folks is CART envy Champcar execution
Original. Same comment from three different posters at TF... ;)
As has been said, South Florida is a wasteland for attracting sports fans, and the series simply doesn't draw well enough to pull large numbers of fans from outside of the local markets in most instances, even in warm weather resort areas. The only sport that draws a consistent crowd is a 'Caines football game and even that has gone down since moving to Dolphins stadium. It's a shame Sanchez built Homestead in Homestead but the real state was REAL cheap after Andrew.
What I don't ever see evidence of is all of these independent promoters that show up to promote street races trying to team up with permanent racing facilities trying to partner up on events.
That poster at TF is me btw
What is the point of bringing back oval race were the attendance has been poor at best.
That said I would like the return of (3) 500 mile races.
Of course I would like to see Michigan return if somehow they can boost attendance.
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Originally Posted by nigelred5
NASCAR At Homestead sells out and Don't forget Sebring which draws 100,000+ every year.
Nascar is the season Finale.. as we know NASCAR travels well in RV's. NASCAR fans are well accustomed to bringing their own accomodations and their own party. There's more RV's at the average NASCAR race than spectators at an Indycar race unfortunately. Indycar drew flies at homestead, just like the Dolphins, Marlins, Panthers, even the Heat doesn't sell our 100% of the time. Sebring is Florida's Preakness. It's not the largest race in the sport, but it is a very prominent race and draws one hell of a party. and just like hte Preakness, the #1 question always is: How many of those 100K are even aware there is a race (or even conscious) for the majority of the 24 hours? Why has Indycar or CART before them never held a race at Sebring? They know it won't draw as many flies as a dead armadillo.
all i know is I ordered my tickets for 1. Indy 2. Detroit and 3. MidOhio, hope to see you there.
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Originally Posted by nigelred5
Funny How Champ Car sold well at Homestead...
Anyway if Sebring is the Preakness then what is the Kentucky Derby?
BTW Every Dolphin Home Game since the 1970's have been a Sell out. The Marlins are a Sick joke and NOBODY CARES ABOUT HOCKEY!!!!
It looks like Milwaukee will be on this year's schedule. That is finally some good news for the schedule.
True. But when it will be confirmed? In February I guess?
CHAMPCAR, sure it did? How long has that been now? What has INDYCAR done at homestead? What's attendance been like there in the past ten years.? Why are they planning a street race in lauderdale if Indycar is a draw in Homestead? ISC knows it's a money looser.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The Marlins,, the team Miami is spending HOW many millions to build a 37K seat retractible dome and yet, it will still be half empty? They'll draw a larger crowd for a Jerry Falwell revival.(yeah, I know he's dead)
They don't have a Kentucky Derby Equivalent. Been to it twice, in the infield. I felt like I was at a church sermon compared to the Preakness. Mint julips..... bah! Preakness is( well was) 12 hose beer bongs, wet t shirts and wondering how the H3!! you're gonna get home Sebring is 90+% no holds barred party where they happen to have a car race. Not knocking it, I've been there several times, but it's is clearly obvious the race isn't why most folks are there. I've been th the Preakness at least 20 times, I've yet to see a single horse race.
I"ve been to Joe Robbie, Pro Player or what ever it is now 4 times for games in the past 5 years. My uncle lives in Lauderdale and one of my best friends lives within walking distance of BankAtlantic Center. Walked up an bought a ticket at the box office for a dolphins game each and every time. They haven't had an announced attendance anywhere near a sell out for years.
The Milwaukee Mile wants an IndyCar race in June. The targeted weekend is June 16-17. If it happened, there would be five race weekends in a row (Indy, Detroit, Texas, Milwaukee, Iowa). I would like to have Milwaukee on the schedule. It is the best oval track ever built for open-wheel cars. But I'd rather see the race on July 1 or Labor Day Weekend, if Baltimore falls through.
I wish they would come to RA but I will buy a ticket for Milwaukee and hope they stay and build this race for years to come.
I think the series does need a 17th race. There's only 16 at the moment, but one of those is still TBA, and another is looking a bit shakey! If it is a short schedule this year then I hope they get themselves sorted for 2013.
In 2006 there only were 14 races on the schedule, and still it was a great season. =)
There were 28 races in 2006...Quote:
Originally Posted by heliocastroneves#3
There never has been such a huge amount of races on an IndyCar Series schedule. Of course when you count the ChampCar races as well, they did. But the IndyCar Series had just 14 races on the schedule. Sam Hornish Jr's last title, what a great season that was. Of course it was marred by the death of Paul Dana, but besides that it was a great season.
It's better to have a smaller number of well attended events that a larger number of poorly attended ones.
Yep, that's true. :)
Indycar needs more than one, 500 mile race and why not use the F1 layout at Indy for a second race.
What is it with Milwaukee? Year after year it seems to be on the ropes. I thought they were ready to plow the thing under after last year. Everybody loves The Mile, I know I do, but apparently you need some sort of rainmaker for it to have any success whatsoever.
Ooops... shouldn't have said rainmaker.
Well, a few years ago they had a serious problem with promoters. I had heard, here perhaps, that a promoter was lined up, took the money and disappeared. That was the start of the death spiral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marbles
Last year, they once again had promotion problems. I enjoyed the race thoroughly (it was my first race) but it was not very well run. Even with 2 for 1 tickets on race weekend it was pretty dead. In fairness though, there was rain all throughout the weekend including the morning of the race.
I really hope it comes back next year. I'll for sure make the drive again.
We were planning on going to Iowa. Maybe we'll see two races back to back!
I want to go to Fontana, but I live in The Netherlands.... So I just have to plan my holidays in September then.... Will talk about it with my gf, who loves racing, and especially IndyCar racing very much as well.
Milwaukee needs a sponsor and stability. I hate ovals but I'm there for last 19 years and this yo yo on and off have to stop. Either kill it or rebuild it. With new car and some real talent like Rubens people will show up. Onother thing I'm in Chicago and if I was not a fan I wouldn't know obout a race. Promotion is very poor. I'm ready for turbos this year -hope!
Went to the race there 3 times in the CART days. Very good facility, although it is kinda in the middle of nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by heliocastroneves#3
Depending on your budget, try to stay at the Hilton in San Bernadino. A few of the teams stay there and sitting in the bar of that hotel one Saturday night, a very young Oriol Servia walked in! If not, thats the general area to aim for, as theres a lot of hotels and restaurants along that road and its only about 10 miles from the track.
Thank you for the information, would be great to eventually see some drivers there!Quote:
Originally Posted by jwhite9185
I already heard from someone that the facility is indeed a little bit in the middle of nowhere hehe. :D
^This is why many of us DIDN'T want a merger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
IF we coulda/woulda/shoulda had cooperation instead of outright animosity between the series, we could have had a truly great thing in AMerican based open wheel racing.
Because 1 race with 250,000 people is better than 2 races with 125,000 people.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike15
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Originally Posted by mike15
This assumes that somehow a road course race would siphon off half of the attendance of the 500. I think the assumption is faulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Gary
The Indy 500 has proved it can hold it's base of supporters so having another race on the road circuit would attract a different set of fans and probably many F1 fans just to see the comparison. Using the Brickyard 400 as the example, that race did not diminish the Indy 500 nor did the F1 race. So there is a history at Indy, that having more races does not take away from the 500.
They need to alter the road course again if it's really going to present any worthwile racing. Run the roadcourse counter clockwise, but at the end of Hulman BLVD, make a right before the north tunnel onto shaw drive. That will loop back towards turn 2. Either just before the back stretch tunnel, (or after but it would restrict infield access more) make a connection onto the backstretch in the wide paved area coming off of oval turn two. If you skipped the turn 1 road course complex added for MotoGP, that essentially adds the entire oval to the over all road course except for oval turn 2. That's actually minimal additonal track construction. Another alternative would be to make a left off of Hulman blvd as it presently does for the MotoGP course, but then connect motogp turn 12 with Shaw Drive. Either way without measuring the track, that would have to make it close to 4 miles and finally provide, IMHO a pretty cool infield track for open wheel and endurance racing.
Talk about requiring a compromise set up. Oval fans would see the majority of what they see now, and road course fans have plenty of roadcourse action as well.
I think Many may argue the 400 has in fact diminished attendance at the 500. The USGP I would agree had no negative impact on the 500. Actually it improved IMS as a facility greatly by forcing some significant upgrades.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike15
And many HAVE made that argument. But based on what measure, a moistened finger in the air? IMHO it's baseless.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
Gary
Nigeled5 how can you be taken seriously when attendance for the brickyard has been going down while the attendance for the I500 has been going up.
Vast stretches of visible Aluminum and infield grass at the 500 since the brickyard began are a start. It's certainly more than just that, however I find it hard to believe there arent quite a few fans that have to make the choice between the two. You don't think a whole lot of people in Indiana choose to see the Rushville Rocket over the past ten years or so? Just sayin'Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
You can take me however you want. Fact is, attendance at the 500 has been DOWN, sometimes signifcantly since 1994. It's gone UP since the merger, however I've still seen HUGE stretches of aluminum along the main straight and throughout turns 3 and 4. That NEVER happened before the Brickyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike15