Lewis is too impatient for the rules ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
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Lewis is too impatient for the rules ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I think the article is suggesting that previously Lewis, as an instinctive racer, could use that instinct to great effect. Now KERS and more particularly DRS mean that overtaking takes place at a specific point on any given circuit. I think it's fair to portray that as being too impatient, or unable to contain his instinct, but I can see Hughes's point that effectively the rules are removing a key strength of Hamilton's skill as a racing driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
One of my key complaints about DRS is that it does legislate where passing should take place, or at least is most likely to succeed. Add to that the increasing involvement of the rule book in what drivers can and cannot do then, just maybe, Hughes has a valid point. There doesn't seem to be any such thing as a "racing incident" anymore i.e. one where there was no intent, just a simple (and frequently) slight error.
If the rule book penalises drivers for simple errors then it's more likely that drivers won't attempt passes without the help of DRS, and therefore passes will take place at the same point on the circuit for lap after lap. All very clinical, but not very exciting for me I'm afraid. I'd rather drivers like Lewis Hamilton be able to use their instinct, and that we accept that errors may be made.
An interesting angle but poorly executed:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I think its more down to gut instinct based on aggression than tactics.Quote:
Very few drivers seemed consistently able to pull off passing moves, although exceptions such as Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell and Juan Pablo Montoya spring to mind. They were guys who seemed to have a different sense of the narrative of a move and understood the limits of depth perception and braking feel.
I wholeheartedly agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
The guy Hamilton was overtaking didn't turn in on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew
Not when people are constantly taken out and/ or their races are compromised.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
It's not the first time that the new regs/ tires have effected driver's style, yet Hamilton seems to be either a little stubborn in realizing that he needs to change or simply he doesn't have the ability to make the adjustments. If that's the case, then Massa might be correct in suggesting "You'll win a lot more Championships, if you keep that up"
I can't help it, I have to converse with you from time to time ;) :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I agree if there is intent by one driver to "take out" another as Senna did to Prost at Suzuka. That kind of thing should result in a heafty penalty. However, there is a clear difference between that and genuine "racing incidents".Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
When making the comparison it's hard to understand now how Senna wasn't penalised for that, and yet Hamilton makes a slight misjudgment (no intent) in Singapore and is penalised.
that is a key point I made in another thread, or earlier in this one, I can't remember...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Anyway, As I said, it takes two willing drivers to make a pass and more often than not F1 drivers these days are more unwilling to accept being passed.
Oddly enough the guy who has shown the most class in being passed is Alonso. He understands when he is beat and instead of turning into the car and then complaining afterwards about his race being compromised, he accepts the pass and lives to fight back at another time. Like I said, If Webber's pass on Alonso was on Massa instead, it would have all ended in tears.
To me the worst offenders are Webber, Massa, Maldonado, and Schumi.
I suppose many things weren't encountered then, so rules were written as they went along. Kinda like still today. But mostly because they (Balestre) were pushing the envelope already by switching Prost to the dry side of the track for his P2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Finally found time to read this thread again.
The following is a bit off-topic but is somewhat connected to the race ban idea that has been mentioned several times here.
If I remember correctly, then Vettel would lose the title only if he doesn't get any points from the coming rounds and Button wins all the remaining races. A question to the race ban supporters: What would you suppose to happen when Hamilton would take out Vettel in all the remaining races?
Hamilton can try that for a few races, then he will be banned for a year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
As someone in another thread mentioned... Lewis won't get close enough to Vettel to take him out. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Well, if you can't get him from behind, then as a backmarker it shouldn't be a problem :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Koz
The servers this forum runs on would melt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
:rolleyes:
Good Lord
:rolleyes:
:laugh:
The drivers are gonna "discuss" Lewis before the race in Japan.
'Drivers to discuss Hamilton's bravado' | Planet F1 | Formula One News-
Wonder if Lewis gonna attend the meeting?
About time they slap him in the face cause slapping him on the wrist didn't help at all. This might also restart his brain.
After watching Senna, the movie and some of the driver's meetings, i wish there were more tv showings of these meetings. Apparently, they get pretty heated at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Heikki kovalainen has confirmed the meeting about Lewis.
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OHHH, forgot the link!!!
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/72...sue-With-Lewis
I have no issue with Hamilton's penalty or this so called meeting... as long as there is a penalty for Schumacher (to be served in the next race) and a meeting about the 7 time champ too. I don't want F1 to turn into the IRL, where they crash as much as they race. But I also don't want to watch a bunch of whimpering pansies, who cry every time someone gets next to their sidepods. Lewis has had a LOT of avoidable incidents this season (I think Monaco was the most disturbing). The only issue I have is that when other drivers have similar incidents, they're not always called to the carpet. We don't want a Brian Barnhart (IRL) here. We need consistency. And if the drivers start whining too much, they need to be given the old Eddie Gossage message: shut up and drive!
He has Tweeted "Are all drivers attending a 'special meeting' in Japan about Hamilton's driving? I'm not, I have no problem."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
https://twitter.com/h_kovalainen/sta...51354127904768
So true Schumacher has been running into so many drivers this season right, just like lewis - driving into other cars while attempting impossible overtaking moves and ruining his and their race, completely understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Smells more and more like a witch hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
And why should Hekki have any problem with lewis, he only comes across while being lapped.
At the things a going now Lewis has more chance of crashing into a backmarker than winning another WDC. And also a good excuse to keep check on a superior rival.Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
I hope he does attend the meeting and he tells them all to f*ck off and get a life. What a bunch of losers. If this meeting is happening it just proves that these days GP Drivers these days are a bunch of overpaid prima donna's. This is probably because of poor Felipe, whom I personally regard as one of the worst drivers on the grid at the moment, crying after the last race. Nothing Hamilton has done this year has been accompanied with any ounce of intent towards another driver. While we're at will they discuss Pastor Maldonado intentionally cutting across Lewis in Spa qualifying and getting a slap on the wrist for it? Or how about those overtaking maneouveres that did come off, such as the most dangerous one being Webber on Alonso in Spa, but with Webber being lucky enough that Alonso decided to back out of it before they both crashed out and possibly got killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Lewis hasn't had that luxury of overtaking people with a brain too often. He had two idiots in Monaco cut across him and leave him no place to go after he committed to an overtake i.e. Felipe and Pastor. Where any of them expected Lewis to go after committing to the overtake and they then cut across him is beyond me. Are you not supposed to leave room for the other driver?
This has the smell of a witch hunt. Pretty soon GP drivers will be complaining about driving in the wet. Oh wait, they already do that, we no longer have standing wet weather starts for "safety". So what is next, ah yes, let us torment the one guy on the grid with a bit of balls. Once that is done maybe they'll cut out corners altogether and simply do straight line racing.
I wouldn't worry about this non-story too much mate. It will turnout to be a load of crap or a couple of moaners getting their knickers in a twist. Doesn't sound like Hekki's even heard about it :laugh:
Odd isn't it. They story's a couple of days old now and despite (no doubt) the media digging around I have not yet seen one driver confirming that there is such a meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
A cynic would say that no wonder he doesn't have problems since he was always a light year behind Lewis in the races.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Fair point, and he was Lewis's team-mate. But I think the point of his tweet was having been asked "Are all drivers attending a 'special meeting' in Japan about Hamilton's driving" he 1) didn't confirm there was a meeting and 2) if there is one then he's not going.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
As Tony Dodgins says in Autosport:What Hamilton can learn from Andretti - AUTOSPORT PLUSQuote:
Hamilton's 2011 season has not been great but you can't help thinking that rather too much is being made of everything he does – or doesn't.