All Jari-Matti Latvala's major crashes - YouTubeQuote:
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bye bye...thank you.
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All Jari-Matti Latvala's major crashes - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
bye bye...thank you.
He had very bad luck in argentina, he deserved to win that rally way more than anyone else, then he hit a big stone that diddnt look as if it should have been there, right in the middle of the road...but lets not get into that argument again :DQuote:
Originally Posted by whereschris
Ford would have no breakthrough with Ogier. It would just prove beyond any doubt that the Fiesta engine is embarrassingly underpowered. And for the same reason Ogier will not even consider a move to Ford. These are obvious facts to all but a few forum-bugs. Ogier in a Fiesta would certainly be the most interesting experiment, but we will not see that.
It's clear that Latvala has improved alot on driver consistency. Though both him and Mikko are forced to take more risks to keep pace. But if you can't see Latvala has become a lot smarter driver you are simply blind over numbers.
The fact is with such a huge performance deficit, it's hard to compare the skills. But imo Latvala is the fastest driver of all on gravel. Which we will all witness in a Polo in 2013.
Yeah, that's why Loeb is a champ last 7 seasons. :D
I hope Ogier does well for the rest of the year and does not go like Petter, Marcus & Mikko who had a dip year after taking the fight to Loeb. Go Ogier!!!!!!!!!!
Agree with this, the first part anyway... Although JML at VW? I think MW would sooner chain him to the gates at M sport than let him leave for VW :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
I think maybe he was referring to this year and last year, rather than the last 7 seasons :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Anyways, without JML, who would Loeb use as a road sweeper? :D
Oh yeah, I forgot, Ogier :laugh:
Really the Fiesta has a underpowered engine? I mean that would put Citroen drivers to shame..since there has been close battles...and the fastest man in Finland was Mikko were engine power matters alot. Is Citroen a better packade? Yes but to blame the Fiesta seems cheap. The drivers have not delivered the goods. That is my assessment anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
No, in Finland the engine power doesn't matter that much. You can clearly see that on S2000 drivers. They were never so close with WRC cars like in Finland and Sweden (in NORF till the battle of Hänninen and Tänak continued). Since the rules for S2000 and WRC are absolutely same except engine, wing and few other details, the difference in speed of these two classes is by 90% done by engine. You can simply see where the engine matters how much just from difference in times between S2000 and WRC.
It's just a myth that the faster rally, the more engine matters. In fact the more acceleration from slow corners (hairpins, junctions etc.), the more the engine matters.
Put Citroen drivers to shame? You mean they have to accept that it's not true they are the fastest drivers in every single WRC rally in the season? Oh, you mean since they have to accept that a Finn under equal equipment would be faster than them in Finland? hmm..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sladden
Basic physics has that fast corners or very lose surface makes the engine a much less critical factor. And that's the only times Ford shows some dull shine of hope.
I dont agree. Acceleration from junctions comes in low gears and power is less matters. Fast roads makes you drive on high gears and if power doesnt count in fast speed driving with 5 th and 6 th gear, then I dont know what matters anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
stop confusing top/high speed with engine power...its amateurish..
high speed/top speed 90% of the time is due to gearing.
Again... S2000 and WRC is basically same machinery except engine, wing and few details. Difference between these two is almost completely due to engine. See differences in s/km between S2000 and WRC in all rallies and You can very clearly see where engine matters more and where less. The results are very clear - the smallest differences are in Finland and Sweden - fast flowing events with very little number of slow corners. In much more technical Sardinia it is cca 0,5 s/km more with smaller difference in new stages of first leg which are much faster than normal Sardinian ones. Than for example Germany with many hairpins and junctions and much better grip the difference is cca another 0,5 s/km higher than in Sardinia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I dont really know about physics and engine ect. I just remember Solberg back in Australia 2002 said that when its medium speed and good traction, we can beat the Peugeots. When its very quick (stage), the Peugeot engine is much better.
And I also remember that argument made in 2004..on fast rallies Subaru was quick again on fast rallies because of engine development. But I dont know...
I just think its fair to say the cars this year are quite equal with some advantage to Citroen. But most of the difference is down to drivers..one has been off pace.... and the other making a lot of mistakes (and mechanial issues) but on pace.
One could make the argument that Sweden and Finland was closer to S2000 since local knowledge matters alot there..
Having said this I dont mean the difference between Ford and Citroen engines matters. Engines are slightly the same regarding to power. Like Sladden says its more a matter of reliability and of course the drivers way of handling the car on different surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
[quote="Sladden"] .............and the other making a lot of mistakes (and mechanial issues) but on pace.
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In the 10 rallies to date in 2011 JML has had 4 'driver' / crew mistakes. Front bumper in Sweden, pace note error in Sardinia, a brief stall in Argentina (without losing the lead) and the off in Germany when over-driving following engine problems on day 1 (i.e. not a spontaneous mistake). I would venture the opinion that this is not too different from Ogier and Loeb this year and that they too would have had more driver errors if they'd had to compensate for the mechanical problems like engine management, drive shafts, suspension breaking, power steering, diff failure etc. that have plagued Latvala.
The common mis-conception that Latvala still makes more driver errors than other top 6 drivers is just plain wrong. I do agree, that as many people on this forum thought, Ford have paid the penalty for failing to test the Fiesta sufficiently before this season when the suspension set up could have been refined and the drive train weaknesses addressed
What about small errors like that one in Australia?! There's no rally without small mistake from him.
I dont think its a far cry to say Citroen is the team with most talented crews. Loeb..a phenomenon. And Ogier had a learning curve straight up. With the least amount of experience of the factory (and some private) drivers, he is fighting for victories in every rally now.
Do you mean the one where he inexplicably slowed and lost the lead to Hirvonen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Ok SS3 in Australia as an error is the acceptable level of driver mistake i.e. not terminal, and one which Loeb, Ogier and Solberg have all made this year. Mikko isn't making as many mistakes, but then he isn't as fast as the other 4 (though I'm sure someone will have a statistic that says otherwise. :rolleyes:
The common denominator is Citroen. I would be good in a Citroen....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sladden
I wouldnt say Mikko had been as fast this year as he has been in the past, but he is a whole world better than he was last year. In the first half of the year, he was off pace in jordan and argentina, but apart from those two rallies, he has been up there. Last year, he was off pace pretty much from start to finish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Oh please. Its his 3rd season in WRC...compare him to others 3rd season..or 2nd. They were "learning"...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
Go tell Solberg and Kimi that...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
I was referring to the works cars... dont you think I have been listening to PS yapping all year?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
What im saying is the Ogier is better than he looks. He is no quicker than Latvala. JML can't resist the temptation to drive the car quick than it can physically go.. hence the mistakes. Thats his fault, but a fact.
I think you spelled: 'JML has been told to try to get the lousily-developed car to go quicker than the engineering allows.. hence the lack of error margin and mechanical failures. That's his orders, and may be a fact', wrong ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
No, that's an opinion. Yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
"I think you have to ask the team, it's not for me to answer," he said. "My approach is the same as usual to do the best result I can do for myself. As you saw in the last rally, I think my driver championship is over, if you have more question, ask them to the team."
Sebastien Ogier coy on Citroen future talk - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Why hasn't Mini been mentioned as a candidate for him? I know it would be almost impossible to dislodge Dani or Kris but they could enter a third car?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
good posts today....people still sleeping.
Er, no, look at his flag, its morning over there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I guess the laughter goes both ways. You are making immature comments on blogs while the rest of the European members seem to have better things to do.
blogs....???
LOL...
wake up.
Ogier moving to Ford...
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I just wonder who this "very reliable source" is. I have a hunch though...
Its funny to see that the british and the finish care more about Ogiers future more than the french....
all that brutal beating they got from them all these years is starting to have phychological effects on them... anti-depressant drug companies must be delighted in Finland and UK.
LOL
This rally once again prove the Ford and Citroen is very close even on tarmac. Difference comes from the person behind the wheel.
It indeed is weird that Finnish motorsport press is interested in who will drive with Ford next season, considering that there currently are two Finns driving a Ford... Reporting on the matter is not a consequence of psychological beating, I can assure you, and while at it, our anti-depressant of choice is the same as anyones. Alcohol, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Clever move from Ford, thats what they need -someone who knows how to drive on tarmac. And replacing Mikko rather that JM is right choice also.
Decades of top drivers, rally culture and general interest it has created also plays a bit of a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
We also kill ourselves because it's too dark in the winter and too bright in the summer, not because there are faster drivers on WRC. :DQuote:
and while at it, our anti-depressant of choice is the same as anyones. Alcohol, of course.
If Ogiers future pans out as reportet, next season would very interesting
So will ogier have a No1 status at ford ???
LOL
maybe the rumour about Latvala is a pay driver is true after all...
Who says Latvala stays as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T