Maybe it's time to remind ourselves of this wonderful clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19G4B0J7bFY
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Maybe it's time to remind ourselves of this wonderful clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19G4B0J7bFY
Eurosport is mostly crap. And not on the basic Sky package but can be had for an extra £1 per month which isn't too bad!
Interesting about the 'highlights' actually being full races. That being the case and half the races on the BBC where's the advantage for Sky in this. It's a lose lose situation for everyone.
Bernard has lost the plot:
Bernie Ecclestone says Sky pay-to-view TV deal will grow F1's audience - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
Asked what he would say to fans who could not afford a Sky subscription, Ecclestone replied: "That's where the problem is, I know, but from what I understand Sky has enormous coverage, 10 million homes.
"For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time," he added.
Everyone who has Sky already has the BBC, so there is no way the viewing figures are going to grow! It's transmitting to the same size audience for half the races, and just ten million viewers for the other half. And that's ten million with Sky, not necessarily Sky Sports. If I can't watch the race live I'm not interested, I don't want to watch the race later (full re-run or otherwise) once I've found out what the result was.
ClassicQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Not exactly. The BBC wins, or at least thinks it does, by being able to make a high-profile saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Also (shock alert!), Sky Sports presenter Keith Heueueuwen thinks Sky is the logical place for live sport:
Pay-to-view sport: why it's the future - AUTOSPORT PLUS
That's another thing that worries me. Sky's "analysis" of the Indycar is awful, as is Eurosport's GP2/GP3 coverage in my opinion. The only reason I watch either is because it's motor racing! The BBC F1 coverage is top notch, with knowledgeable, experienced presenters (and Eddie Jordan). I wonder who Sky are going to bring in to cover F1?
There will, in effect, have to be formed a whole new commentary team given the division between two broadcasters.
A sad say when the BTCC gets better coverage than F1 :(
'...for now fans can relish the battle of two big broadcasters to bring us the best F1 coverage ever seen. It's enough to stand the hairs up on every fan's neck!'Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
What a load of (as is to be anticipated) tripe. It is no 'battle', because there is no competition between the two. One broadcaster will be offering one thing, the other (for half the time) something else. Competition is only worthwhile and meaningful if those competing are on a level playing field. This will not be the case with the F1 coverage.
Can we pretend that the non BBC races don't exist and have a 10 race championship?
Great idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
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Originally Posted by Mark
Good news IMHO. Gives the WRC a chance of actually getting some viewers and gaining traction....
Its the bit where he says "it will probably be more exciting than watching the races live half of the time" That gets me...He puts down his own sport, I just dont understand it. And yeah, I wont watch the races unless theyre live either. Not least because I'll probably have already looked up the result on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
I was wondering how the poison dwarf was going to spin it, but even I didn't think he would stoop so low as to diss his own sport. F**k him!Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
He doesn't care, why not say it if it makes him more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
From a personal point of view, I love Football and Cricket and already have sky sports so I will be able to watch F1 still and I am glad there will be no ad breaks.
But despite all this I am pretty outraged that F1 is going to sky.
The viewing will plummit as no casual viewer will ever watch and many of you great and ardent fans won't or cant watch it, so who is F1 going to have watch it on the whole.
About 500 people at times by the sound of it.
Bernie is ruining F1 in many ways and this is just another example of it.
It stinks, I hope we can all still manage to watch the sport we love some how.
Only if NorthOne are clever - and realise there's a gap to be filled........Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As for the news, I'm not as mad as I thought I'd be - which shows how much F1 has lost it's hold on me in the last 5-10 years. In fact, F1 can now join the rest of Motorsport as a niche/minority sport....
Regarding the BBC - simply, not fit for purpose: think back to the 80's- mid 90's and the BBC Sport output: every weekend there was sport on the Beeb; Grandstand, Sunday Grandstand, Sport on Friday, Sportsnight, etc In fact, lots of minority/niche sports were covered, which is what the BBC should be covering. Where has it all gone? I thought the BBC was public service provider - which means a wide variety of programmes - and importantly, no chasing ratings. They really are a law unto themselves - £900M on a pointless move to Salford, 200 people the other day covering the 'Olympic 1 year to go' party.
What we can expect now on a Sunday lunchtime is another pointless repeat of Kids cooking pets, or Cash in my underpants.........
I think likening the F1 move with cricket is very apt. Cricket's appeal has suffered badly since terrestrial TV got the boot - and I think F1 will suffer the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
You wouldn't be saying that to be deliberately contrary, would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's not all the BBC's fault, to be fair. The loss of sports rights has been down in part to outside commercial influences, and the move to Salford, while utterly pointless and counter-productive, is being made in an effort to placate certain misguided critics. The absurd amount of coverage, which in no sense was news, given to the 'one year to go' thing is less excusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I just wish the BBC could cease constantly having to apologise for itself, but as long as the Daily Mail and other forces of conservatism exist this will never be the case.
There is so much asinine **** on the BBC it's not funny. The thing with good content is that it can be sold on, take Grand Designs, I'm pretty sure it's shown in Australia and the Australian version is sold here. Now who in Australia or wherever is going to pay to see the crap the BBC is peddling to morons on Three?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
There is so much asinine **** on all channels now it's not funny. I'm afraid I certainly wouldn't class 'Grand Designs' as something to especially cherish either, but each to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Oh it's not exactly the greatest programme in the world, but I can see the value in it and the fact that it's shown overseas shows that there is some universal appeal to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I just can't stand most of the stuff on Three and also I can stand such weak programming as The One Show.
Not necessarily. It simply wouldn't make commercial sense for the two companies to have duplicated production teams and the attached logistics for half the number of races they'd usually cover. The deal could involve Sky simply buying the entire race coverage off the BBC and broadcasting it, which would also make sense if the BBC is going to have a commentating team doing the highlights of every race anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
This is of course simply my guess.
As for the decision to move half the races to Sky on a personal basis I'm pretty hacked off. If it turns out the BBC will show all races in full with half live and half delayed I'll stick with terrestial. Otherwise I'll have to look into getting a Sky subscription.
As others have pointed out I can't see Sky winning out of this. They will have to pay money for race footage which will push football out of their timetable which is a far more popular sport and I don't think they will get that many conquest sales out of F1 fans buying Sky subscriptions. They will have had to pay a serious fee to the BBC or Bernie for the licence and will have to pay further for the footage and programme production.
I think F1 and Bernie are about to find out the hard way that F1 is nowhere near as popular as they claim it is, and while there may be many very casual fans who will tune in and out on a Sunday afternoon if its for free, few will pay money to watch it.
I've always wondered how if Bernie is to be believed F1 is nearly as popular as football in the UK. Whether amongst my friends or my work colleagues its difficult to find people who are genuinely interested and knowledgeable about F1 whereas most guys seem to support one football team or other and have strong opinions about them. I had that in mind as I heard the BBC announcement that they are strongly committed to covering major sports events that bring the country together. F1 simply doesn't fit that bill.
Thats because whereas TV companies like the BBC merely had to fill up one or two channels with programmes they now have to make or pay for several times as many channels with the same budget. Something has to give and usually its quality and expense....Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I think there might be a typo there, Daniel...Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I very rarely watch any of the commercial channels when I'm back in the UK, sticking mainly to the BBC, and was really dismayed at what I saw when I put my hotel TV on in the morning the other day (my mistake, I know). The cretinous nature of daytime programming really has to be seen to be believed, all of it about making money out of something. But at least part of the licence fee goes towards Radio 4, surely the best broadcaster in the world of any sort, so my anger was soon soothed by that thought.
the potential for the non-live races on BBC to be "full" rather than highlights is the only chink of light so far for me. I could live with watching it in the evening as long as it was the whole race
I wondered exactly the same myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
I wonder how the actual viewing figures for the Sky coverage in the UK will compare to expectations, or indeed what the BBC gets for its highlights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
At what time do we think the races will be broadcast? I would be willing to bet that it's quite late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Well Bernie, you've just sold a huge chunk of the UK fanbase in search of a quick buck, absolutely disgraceful
Bernie's reaction i think also smacks of a big middle finger to the fans, the vast majority of F1 fans in the UK (including me) cant afford the extortionate prices charged for the Sky Sports package. The quality of the Beeb's coverage to me is worth the licence fee alone whereas I can only see Sky's coverage going the same way as their pitiful attempt to cover A1GP during its 3 year stint
Bernie can pretty much say goodbye to most of the UK viewers (the largest F1 fanbase in the world) but he probably wont give a damn as long as he keeps raking the money in
While Bernie had a hand in negotiations I wonder if he had much say in what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
The BBC were looking to offload F1 quickly and pull out of its contract to cut costs. No other terrestial channel was willing to pay decent money to host F1.
Doing a deal with Sky allows both the BBC and Bernie to save face. The BBC will still produce its quality coverage to supply to other English speaking countries which is good for F1. The BBC benefits by getting to keep the flagship races like Silverstone and Monaco and cutting costs massively. Sky gets to test whether there is a future for buying up the rights to F1 without paying full whack.
It is a compromise born out of desperation and really I suspect Bernie himself didn't have much say in the matter, the alternative could have been that the BBC stopped coverage this year and noone else would step up to show it, or Sky could have taken over full broadcasting rights.
I dont know, I've always had thoughts that Sky have long coveted the F1 rights and wanted it for years but the concorde agreement's FTA telly guarantee stopped them bidding for the rights in the UK. Now im thinking its not Bernie thats been getting desperate but rather Sky simply lost patience. And I could have seen Sky taking Bernie and the FOM to court for anti-competition reasons if the Beeb regained the full rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
In the end I think the only winner is Bernie whose bank balance will be even bigger, the fans are peeved off, the BBC will lose a large chunk of their viewers and Sky didnt get the exclusivity deal they would have wanted
I'm actually not even convinced that Bernie will get to see any extra money. I think Sky will pay the BBC directly and Bernie benefits only by not being left in the lurch by the BBC washing its hands of F1 mid-contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
Bernie needs a check up from the neck up!!!
Who would pay £480 for something they can watch later?? Well not many people especially when the races are fixed and will be fixed even more if ratings drop!!! Well Bernie ratings will drop if people have to pay that kind of money!!!! You may not be making any financial gain but you have the say in what happens!!!! You may think that fans wont pay for it initially but believe me I wouldn't pay a penny more than I pay for my TV license to watch the fixed races that Formula1 have shown over the last few years!!!!!
Bernie ecclestone and your cronnies you really are in one very big dream world and need to spend a couple of weeks living in the world of a real life human being~!!!!
Hey guys, look on the bright side, at least we can see where some of the savings are being spent
London 2012 Olympics: BBC to cover EVERY MILE of 70-day torch relay | Mail Online
The BBC plans to cover every single mile of the Olympic torch relay live, securing it a first for next year’s Games.
The Olympic flame’s journey around Britain starts on May 19 and ends at the Olympic Stadium in London on July 27.
Read more: London 2012 Olympics: BBC to cover EVERY MILE of 70-day torch relay | Mail Online
I was wondering about this. I presume something like that will happen, which will be a shame. Martin Brundle will be sadly missed here if he disappears to Sky. If so, I hope we don't get James Allen as a replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuartf12007
A relay of people carrying a torch to mark an event that already a majority of britons (if you believe this weeks news) dont give a damn about, nice way to spend what little money you have BBC http://www.footballbanter247.co.uk/f...efault/doh.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
Infact i've been reading through one blog post by a man named Ben Gallop, the Beeb's head of F1 coverage,this response has got over 2100 replies, 99.9% of those replies publically slating him, surely that is a sign of something to the Beeb that they are making a fatal error, as if the record viewer figures were not enough of an indication
BBC - Sport Editors: New F1 deal explained
I feel sorry for anyone having to take that sort of abuse from people they don't know, to be honest. There is often a lack of civility in such comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
I do too, I dont envy anyone that hast t take the flak on behalf of more reponsible people who haven't got the courage to speak out in public. But in a way, you can understand their angerQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
F1 is now dead for me, I outright refuse to give a penny to Rupert Murdoch and his scheming \ manipulative News Corp empire.