This is the case with a lot of people. They couldn't fathom why their Golden boy Alonso was being embarrassed on track by a rooke. I take no more notice of it really.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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This is the case with a lot of people. They couldn't fathom why their Golden boy Alonso was being embarrassed on track by a rooke. I take no more notice of it really.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
You're always critical of the kid. When he does well, you take a leak on his achievements, and when he does poorly you tear him from limb to limb. Just my opinion from the posts you've made over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Nah! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Interesting thread
What amazes me is that the Shoe shoves his car down the inside at the Leowes hairpin, and on the two occasions he did this, the two guys he is passing have the intelligence to avoid contact; Hamilton & Rosberg.
Lewis puts a move on the Shoe at the first corner, and the Shoe has the intelligence not to turn in...
Massa is under pressure as we all know, so turned in and accelerated - to the extent that he drove into Webber!!! Mind you, Massa went on to do the tunnel a la Alonso/Ralf....
Then, Maldonado, who up to this point was having a great race - Hamilton puts the exact same move on him that he did with the Shoe - only this time Maldonado turns in on Hamilton, who has to take to the kurb to avoid ending his race.
In the two examples involving Hamilton, a penalty is given.
Now, with Massa exiting the pits in Q3, Lewis was starting a hot lap, he got held up by Massa until Casino. Now, cast your minds back to Alonso in the Renault at Monza qualifying? This time Massa was much closer to the car behind and clearly held him up....
It is very easy to understand Lewis's frustration. He was driving very aggressively, and made some great passes. He definately makes F1 entertaining.
It is also interesting the comparisons some on here have drawn to Senna - if I were Lewis, I'd take that as a compliment.
Great post. That's exactly how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Schumacher made clean overtaking moves while Hamilton was overoptimistic and grossly misjudged both the Massa and Maldonado overtakes, and he got lucky with MS remembering the Petrov misfortune so he decided to leave more space and try to salvage his own race.
Or why do you think that Lewis got 2 penalties from the stewards, because of his skin color?
As for Q3 what was Massa supposed to do? Evaporate?! This is Monaco and **** happens and Lewis has managed to bury himself in it up to his nose.
The Torro Rosso driver was not paying attention to the two cars in front - one of which only had three intact wheels and had the potential to veer onto the racing line due to lack of control from said lack of right rear.....Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
....but don't let that cloud your opinion.
If his team were up to the task and paying attention, theyd've informed Massa who could easily of held back on the pit exit to allow the McLaren to go by on the racing line....Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Skin colour should not be a factor ioan, sadly, reality throughout all walks of life tells a very different story.
look at this way - MS hit Hamilton at the start, then put a cheeky pass on him, only to get repassed later and then whilst tooling round well down his car died. no points.
Hamilton ran into Massa whilst he was running into Webber, they carried on for another corner or 2 and Massa ended up in the wall whilst Hamilton "escaped with a drive through, Massa no points.
Hamilton gets hit up the ass by Alguesari, Algie ends in the wall, prompts a saftey car and Hamilton escapes with a broken rear wing, which is fixed uner red flag conditions. Algie, no points.
Hamilton ran into an impressive Maldanado, whilst up and over the kerb, taking out bollards and leaving Pastor in the wall. gets a retrospective 20 secs penalty. Maldanado no points, Hamilton no loss of position.
End of race, Hamilton started 9th, had a drive through, a 20 second penalty, repairs during the red flag and still finished 6th. Some points. All in i think he's been very lucky to come away with anything, given the amount of incidents and penalties he managed to get involved in, to actually improve his position round Monaco, in spite of the incidents is miraculously lucky IMO
If it was any other track Massa would have been able to let him by, Monaco is not that wide. Everyone dealt with it minus Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
C'mon this is a thing of past nothing to do with 21st century in the civilized world.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Which means that Hamilton got of light, he should have been banned for careless driving. This is not destruction derby, it's F1 and you have to make a clean move when overtaking not punting others off the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
arguably he got hit twice and hit others twice, but still he was lucky to finish, let alone in the points, even before any penalties
if lewis had have turned in at mira beua on lap 1 would ms have took a penalty,the answer is YES.So surely all the overtakes have a lot to do with the guy thats being passed and him responding to the pass attempt.btw some of the posts on this thread are laughable; too say lewis was at fault for the red flag is a joke; why cant you guys just accept that the guy RACES in a sport called motor RACING!!!!!
No, Lewis, it is because you believe that have God-given right to win and are a menace on track!
A driver that wants to win . Whatever nextQuote:
Originally Posted by f1boat
He is a great driver, as well as a dangerous one, unfortunately. I wonder if he hurts someone, would he still be excused for being "racey"... that's a wrong attitude and you know it. F1 is not touring cars and you can't bang people.
I missed the re-start due to a family function, so am catching up now on aunty's iPlayer. The replay of Lewis slowing for Sutil was his only option. Sutil had no option (well, he could have stopped, but he was thinking about the chance to salvage something as is always the opportunity at Monaco) than to rejoin the track after the chicane and in doing so goes onto the racing line. Off-line at that point, with the camera angle on the replay, is full of marbles - so if he (Lewis) went off line at racing speed he would have been in the barrier. That was smart from him, just a shame Jaime was not looking beyond the McLaren and could have made his own judgement as to the track ahead.
For me the accident with Massa was problematic...
You have heard that, by its very nature, F1 is dangerous?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
What could have happened to Rubens in Hungary last year?
His 'fans' get all worked up when others point it out how crappy he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by go mads
Which one - hairpin or tunnel?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Hairpin Massa could have given Lewis room as Lewis and Nico did when Michael made a cheeky move.
As for the tunnel, Lewis got traction and made the pass - Massa kept the boot in and crashed while out on the marbles, conveniently blaming wing damage (remember, Massa drove into Webber) due to his contretempts avec Lewis.
Could have, would have, what ifs, bla bla, yada yada...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Last year in Hungary nothing happened because two professional racers did keep their nerves in a highly tense situation, what happened today is that one driver lost his nerves several times in one race.
Spot the difference?! No? I thought so.
And watch Lewis getting even hotter under the collar as Vettel continues to crush him every race, more mistakes down the road, more racist comments coming up me thinks.
Sure Massa should have stopped his car and ask lewsi nicely to drive by, strange definition for racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
What about Maldonado then, he too should have given up his position to the best thing since sliced bread?
Lewis has an reputation as a great overtaker, I´m not suprised, the other drivers are very scared of him.
The off track antics is then perhaps worse.
Well, good luck to you Lewis.
The remark was meant as a joke... and has already been accepted as such by the stewards so I expect no comeback from the FIA... however the comment will follow hime from now on.
What confuses me is this...
Black parents... you are Black... I get that. White parents... you are White... I get that also.
But One Black and one White parent... you are Black... I don't get it.
It is telling that he see's himself as Black, But then for sure being the 'first' black F1 driver has paid big money (sponsorship wise) for him and sure who can blame him for playing that angle but you have to feel sorry for the first 'real' Black man to make it into F1...
I was never a big fan of Ron Dennis but today McLaren have shown just how much has changed since his departure.
In both instances you cite above, while Massa and Maldonado would have lost a position, they would, would they not, still be in the race?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Overtaking should not, and rarely is easy, but it requires that the person you are overtaking should play fair and not just turn in on the guy beside you pulling off the overtake.
Maybe that's the problem, but it is no excuse. And about the Hungary example, MS was penalised, so the conclusion is that a driver should not wreck other people's races and endanger their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Like they were of Montoya, a man who would simply force his way trough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
There is alot of hashing over comparisons with MS in this thread, but the real issue is that Lewis has backed himself into a corner with these statements.
He does get involved in a lot of incidents on the racetrack, a fair few of which he deserved punishment for.
The comment about his colour is an issue. It was said in the heat of the moment and he was joking outwardly, but there must be something behind it as this is a step beyond whats acceptable.
If he really feels he is picked on by the stewards then he has problems for his career.
For me the penalties for the contact were justified, he was not along side and he barged the two cars. The difference with Schumi's moves is that the opponents chose to avoid the contact, but if they hadn't then Schumi would probably have pulled out of the move and if he didn't then he would get a penalty. Thats the way it is.
You can't see one move that comes off in the hairpin and then hit 3 cars trying the same move and say that its no different.
actually i think Lewis may have damaged the front wing of Schuie at some point in the pass......I read an interview, where MS said the wing and then later the rear wing had issues...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Huh?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
They are there to race for position and to stay ahead of the others not to massage Hamilton's overinflated ego.
The solution to Hamilton's problems is simple, learn to overtake without banging into other cars and keep his emotion under control. This week end he has been broken again by Vettel and I can't see him making the best of the package if he continues to lose his head.
Sorry, there is no bigger fan of Michael Schumacher than me, and there is no driver I dislike more than Rubens (spit) but the ONLY reason there was no contact between them in Hungary last year is because they ran out of pit wall first... it was Schumachers most stupid move in his career because his other stupid moves at least had a WDC at stake, Hungary 2010 was for a few measly points.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Schumi I love yah but that move was soooooooooo wrong.
Sure he did, there were parts flying from MS front wing in the hairpin. No surprise with the elephant that went mad in the China shop today.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
If there is someone always critical of a driver, you qualify along with Henners and a couple of others for being the leader on hating a driver. You know, your fav target, being Schuie....Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I was almost a solo when I said Lewis should not have suffered the Spa penalty.....
Nope. The Shoe drove into Lewis at the start and damaged his own wing, and Lewis's diffuser - go watch a replay.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Watch the reply, MS moved left as soon as he knew that Rubens would run out of tarmac. It was tough but calculated and perfectly executed, can't compare it with what Hamilton was doing today, no way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S
I still have not seen a good slo-mo replay, but it looked to me like Hamilton also did some brake checking on the line of cars behind him, which lead to the crash chain reaction that stopped the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
must be my bad vision clouded with hating hamilton :rolleyes:
I used to video the races, and go back, but lately I been watching live....
I don't even remember hating on The Shoe. Funny, when I started watching F1 it was at the start of 2007, and The Shoe wasn't even in Formula 1! I never had a chance to dislike the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Anyhoot, you and I agree that Hammy shouldn't have received a penalty at Spa 2008.
You and I will have to agree to disagree over Hamilton's performance today. I think it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand-up for all the right reasons. If you're going to race, then race hard, or go home.
Then he needs to go home, because he can not tell the diff between stupid and hard racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Made my hair stand up too, for all the wrong reasons.
And here you see Hamilton, getting Alger in all sorts of trouble by braking in the middle of the corner, TOO HARD, but the guy in back got all the blame.
The real reason for that braking was to throw off the driver behind, making him delay his exit, so Hamilton could get the jump, and pass Sutile without threat from Alger
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiz...-flag-hd_sport
Actually Sutile should have pulled it over, and Hamilton should have slowed before the corner, but no he is racing, stupid, as always
WTF are you on about? Hamilton is perfect! he never makes mistakes. Sadly we're dealing with people who would brake when someone is tailgating them, rather than slowing down a little more gradually.......Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Sorry, ran out of kool aid before morning's light, and trying to get another batch going, but short on magic mushrooms.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel