Pirelli

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I believe the compounds to be used are chosen by the FIA and Pirelli .

The old days , when they brought about a bazillion tires to each race are gone .

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Oh.Ok.My bad.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

silver and grey won't be a problem afaik as they'll bring 2 compunds to each race and they'll be one compound between them, so you'll never see grey and silver at the same time. you'll always have one coloured and one grey or silver

is their something else we can complain about, the tyres last too long, the new tyres are too soft and degrade (like they were asked to provide), the colours are wrong.

i really cannot see what everyone is so excited about, it appears that the tyres will add something extra to the races, something taht the Bridgestones didn't do in anything but extreme circumstances

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I probably shouldn't post this here, in case Bernie reads it and 'has an idea', but yes, I have a complaint;

Why dont we have other geometrically shaped tyres - say pentagonal one race, square the next and for an extreme how about triangular for Monaco.....? :dozey:

Just be thankful that the entire tyre isn't coloured, that was being seriously considered a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Just be thankful that the entire tyre isn't coloured, that was being seriously considered a few years ago.

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Oooohhhhh. Now there's an idea. Pink and blue please, liquorice flavoured with those coloured balls on the outside. Bertie Bassett can wave the chequered flag....... ;)

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I believe the compounds to be used are chosen by the FIA and Pirelli .

The old days , when they brought about a bazillion tires to each race are gone .

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that is one change I agree with

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Have you got a source? I've basically regurgitated what Mark Hughes has said. As for Massa's driving style, maybe its just a case of the weaker rears balancing out the handling for him.

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No, it was something that's been stuck in my mind. I suppose with all this talk of softer Pirellis somewhere along the line misinterpreted/misread Paul Hembrey or commentator regarding compound and construction and for that I apologise.

Nice to see a huge chunk of tyre 'missing' from Vettel's fron left tyre after FP1. It wasn't worn, just missing a chunk of tread. :eek:

I'd actually like to go the Champ Car route of painting the sidewalls if they're going with colour coding. However early impressions of what Pirelli are doing are good for me, I think the yellow stands out quite well compared to the silver. It should be a tad brighter though.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

I'd actually like to go the Champ Car route of painting the sidewalls if they're going with colour coding. However early impressions of what Pirelli are doing are good for me, I think the yellow stands out quite well compared to the silver. It should be a tad brighter though.

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You've got to be able to see it from a distance, at speed, and on TV. Which means that it needs to be extremely bright and large to get noticed!

They're talking about it being a 4 stop race on Sunday, which is silly really, as much as one stoppers in 2010 were.

Ideally it should be a choice between 2 or 3 stops in a race - like the old days!

Not sure I like the idea of these extremely fragile tyres, I'd much prefer to see the cars being able to be pushed to the max without the penalty of degradation, with perhaps enough life in the tyres for 2 sets to easily last the full race. I hope Im wrong but I have a horrible feeling everyone is going to have to drive like 'old grannies' as Lewis and Jenson put it to pace the tyres through the race.

Vettel:

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Q: It looked like a big chunk came off your tyre. Do you know what happened?
SV: I don’t think that it happened early on because I didn’t feel any change on the car, or at least not a big one. It’s true it was a big chunk and believe me I was surprised myself when I saw it. We don’t know why it happened and Pirelli is still investigating, because we need to understand as I definitely didn’t lock up the tyres or go off the track. We definitely need to find an answer.

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Originally Posted by Mark

They're talking about it being a 4 stop race on Sunday, which is silly really, as much as one stoppers in 2010 were.

Ideally it should be a choice between 2 or 3 stops in a race - like the old days!

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I hope we get a nice range-some doing 2 whilst others do 3 and a select few doing 4 would surely be spectacular if tyre wear is big enough. I am really hoping someone pits with 8/10 laps to go and storms through the midfield as everyone else suffers tyre wear.

The BBC were reporting that debris (probably the Sauber engine cover that came off) caused that chunk to be missing from Vettels tyre.

Button did 30 laps on one set of hards today, and Hamilton about 25, so I think its time we put to bed the 4-stops-per-race panic.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

that is one change I agree with

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Why? Back in the good old days it was up to the skill of the driver/team to choose the right tyres, these days there is more or less only one choice or which tyres to run at what point in the race.

Solid performance today.

Green track, cool conditions, the track even looked hardly rubbered in after the race.

What tire or tyre manufacturer would want to have his tire making ability appear to the WHOLE WORLD be as lousy as this perfomance today?

While it may have been intended and mandated to be such by Bernie or other Morons, I thought Perelli stunk up the place, esp. for just people who might happen to be a causal fan and turn on the TV.

Look at us, nobody knows when to pit, hard tires don't always work, tire get to chunking sometime, but hey, our tires were on the winning car

vettel: "a big chunk went flying off my tire....

if I were that causal fan thinking about buying some tires and saw today's perfomance, any tires made by them would not be on my list

I thought just the opposite. They put in a good performance today.

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Originally Posted by Mark

I thought just the opposite. They put in a good performance today.

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you are not a causal fan, and you know the real score

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I think Michelin were prepared to be the sole tyre supplier, but with a condition

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You've got to be kidding if you think that Michelin were ever in the running. Ever since the US GP that year the FIA have been against Michelin as much as possible. They got dumped in the WRC when they were by far the better choice against Pirelli.

Decent enough performance from Pirelli today. But the conditions were hardly challenging :) Just you wait till there's some unseasonally cold or warm weather at a GP. Vettel's tyre chunking seemed like an isolated incident thankly and probably down to debris.

I still maintain that the tyre regs are all wrong as they are.

My tyre regs
Any tyre manufacturer allowed
Tyre manufacturers can bring as many different tyres as possible
No limit to the amount of tyres you can use in the race
No need to use certain compounds during the race.
No racing on the tyres you qualified on and so on
Refuelling allowed so people can 1 stop or 10 stop if they want to :)

So basically no tyre regs!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Decent enough performance from Pirelli today. But the conditions were hardly challenging :) Just you wait till there's some unseasonally cold or warm weather at a GP. Vettel's tyre chunking seemed like an isolated incident thankly and probably down to debris.

I still maintain that the tyre regs are all wrong as they are.

My tyre regs
Any tyre manufacturer allowed
Tyre manufacturers can bring as many different tyres as possible
No limit to the amount of tyres you can use in the race
No need to use certain compounds during the race.
No racing on the tyres you qualified on and so on
Refuelling allowed so people can 1 stop or 10 stop if they want to :)

So basically no tyre regs!

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Almost agreed apart from the refueling, but it won't happen.

What would happen if Goodyear, Kumho, Dunlop, etc all came knocking wanting a piece of the action? Would the FiA ignore them?

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Almost agreed apart from the refueling, but it won't happen.

What would happen if Goodyear, Kumho, Dunlop, etc all came knocking wanting a piece of the action? Would the FiA ignore them?

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Of course :) The FIA ignores common sense wherever possible. Why wouldn't you like refuelling? It was always interesting to see people on light fuel loads and worn tyres against people on worn tyres with lots of fuel and so on.

Was never a fan of refueling - probably from when i first watched F1 in the mid 80's and Prost would be clever and conserve his tyres whilst Senna, Piquet, Mansell at al disappeared into the distance.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Decent enough performance from Pirelli today. But the conditions were hardly challenging :) Just you wait till there's some unseasonally cold or warm weather at a GP. Vettel's tyre chunking seemed like an isolated incident thankly and probably down to debris.

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Cool start to GP weekend, green track, temporary street circuit and you're saying that's hardly a challenge? Even on Sunday after the race the track looked barely rubbered in.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Almost agreed apart from the refueling, but it won't happen.

What would happen if Goodyear, Kumho, Dunlop, etc all came knocking wanting a piece of the action? Would the FiA ignore them?

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to avoid being ignored, they would need to be like greeks bearing gifts, for I wonder who made how much money sub rosa on this deal??

Speaking of such, they could always let Trojan do the rubber....give a whole new meaning to rubbering in and used rubber.......

I wouldn't mind seeing the alleged high speed spin that caused this damage to Petrovs tyre.. the ply is exposed, ripped apart. An uber flat spot through the ply from braking.. or the result of the spin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9455739.stm

Has anyone ever seen such damage done to a michelin in similar circumstances?

Major criticisms about the marbles. Not just off-line but literally becoming rubber bullets according to Paul Di Resta.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...r-bullets.html

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90662

I like them, nowdays it takes moore than red mist to win a race.

Bring on China.

I agree with Pirelli's stance. This is what the FIA wanted, so too bad. They're not the party to blame.

Let the circus continue because the show must go on. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Was never a fan of refueling - probably from when i first watched F1 in the mid 80's and Prost would be clever and conserve his tyres whilst Senna, Piquet, Mansell at al disappeared into the distance.

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I was always more a fan of the kind of racing where the drivers have to be on the limit all the time, instead of conserving tyres and fuel.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I was always more a fan of the kind of racing where the drivers have to be on the limit all the time, instead of conserving tyres and fuel.

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I'd agree to a point. Except take out the word racing and replace it with driving. The multiple sprint races of the refuelling era were good for watching a car at its limits, but produced little racing. Other than against the clock that is.

I'm pleased it's gone.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I was always more a fan of the kind of racing where the drivers have to be on the limit all the time, instead of conserving tyres and fuel.

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Conservation is part of racing.

I still think the Pirelli tires need to be a improved, but so far, the season has been fun. This is what the FIA wanted and I believe that Pirelli are close to actually acquiring what another member mentioned as the "Holy Grail". Soft tires that have less endurance than hard tires, but are almost a second faster per lap.

Not too shabby...

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I still think the Pirelli tires need to be a improved, but so far, the season has been fun. This is what the FIA wanted and I believe that Pirelli are close to actually acquiring what another member mentioned as the "Holy Grail". Soft tires that have less endurance than hard tires, but are almost a second faster per lap.

Not too shabby...

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gloomyDAY, who says their close? If their form in the WRC when they were competing on an even footing with Michelin is anything to go by they'll probably make things worse/

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Originally Posted by Daniel

gloomyDAY, who says their close? If their form in the WRC when they were competing on an even footing with Michelin is anything to go by they'll probably make things worse/

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Well, we're stuck with Pirelli and they're on a much bigger stage than with WRC. Pirelli better get it right, and I think they're getting there race by race. I just don't want another Bridgestone situation where the hard compound tires can last the duration of an entire race (Button - Oz 2010).

Qualifying isn't as important anymore, but strategy is make or break on raceday. This is solely based on the fact that the teams cannot risk using those Pirelli tires during qualifying. That makes Sunday a lot more fun, therefore, getting the FIA's intentions right.

Let's be honest. Bridgestone left because there was nothing to win from being sole supplier however they had a great image with very good tires and so on.
What Pirelli are doing right now with tires that last 5 times less then Bridgestones is in no way good for them from a marketing point of view given that every 2nd sentence on the TV commentary is about the fast degrading tires = crap tires.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Well, we're stuck with Pirelli and they're on a much bigger stage than with WRC. Pirelli better get it right, and I think they're getting there race by race. I just don't want another Bridgestone situation where the hard compound tires can last the duration of an entire race (Button - Oz 2010).

Qualifying isn't as important anymore, but strategy is make or break on raceday. This is solely based on the fact that the teams cannot risk using those Pirelli tires during qualifying. That makes Sunday a lot more fun, therefore, getting the FIA's intentions right.

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I agree, the tyre situation wasn't good with bridgestone, they were good tyres, but they weren't good for racing.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's be honest. Bridgestone left because there was nothing to win from being sole supplier however they had a great image with very good tires and so on.
What Pirelli are doing right now with tires that last 5 times less then Bridgestones is in no way good for them from a marketing point of view given that every 2nd sentence on the TV commentary is about the fast degrading tires = crap tires.

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Even more reason not to slag them off wouldn't you say?

Stepping into the hole left by bridgestone; doing so with half a years lead time; doing so in a manner that could potentially harm their products reputation by providing highly fragile tyres based on the FIA's request.

F1 fans have a great deal to thank Pirelli for.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Even more reason not to slag them off wouldn't you say?

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Huh?
Should we now support mediocrity? No way!