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maybe i am hopefully i'm not. lol. i just dont like the chin and i would love to see that nico has equal footing within the team (hopefully jock clear is on rosbergs side) as i have never rated the chin not because he is a bad driver but because he always ran away from worthy competitors on the same car he hadQuote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
MS will naturally be better with each race under his belt, but itīs doesnīt matter now.
With this regulation there is no way for him to show his skills!
Australia will be different ( more temperate conditions) , and once the drivers figure out the implications of pushing vs tyre wear/damage, we will see more action up front. Don't forget, SchM finished in front of last year's WDC in his first race after three years on the sidelines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
hey boyband is not a reference here. where did crane boy end up driving the same car than boyband? yes thats right on the box. so boyband didnt actually set the world on fire in that mclaren cheater wing or not.
Am I likely to need an Enigma machine to decode just WTF you are going on about here?Quote:
Originally Posted by ratonmacias
The chin, boyband, crane boy... :confused: could you please use names so anyone can understand what you are talking about. Thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by ratonmacias
ok ill type slowly
the chin = Schumacher
boy band = Button
crane boy= Hamilton
theres the enigma machine you needed lol.
Don't miss - Britney=Nico Rosberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratonmacias
I prefer to call him Barbie.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Does that make Schumacher Ken? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I am not well enough informed about their arrangements, you will have to ask them. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
MSC will improve from race to race.
Even he needs time to adapt to the car and team. Yes Brawn helps but this time around there is not an entire staff of 300 people and unlimited funds making sure that he gets everything he wants and his teammate is not being asked to acquiesce to him either. This is probably the first time in his entire career where all the attention and resources and car are not designed around him so adjustments will have to be made.
All things considered a 6th place is awfully good taking note that he was behind 2 ferrari's a mclaren, the fastest car on the grid RBR and his teammate more acclimated to the car. I'm no MSC fan but I won't minimize his efforts so far. I'm happy he is back, more competition (if/when the races become interesting) and more excitement.
Plus I never liked the way he left Ferrari. He probably would have driven for 3 more years and retired on his terms now.
Is it always like this on here? I tried transposing the enigma code and still cant understand except that McLaren cheated somehow? I just haven't figured out the 'how' bit yet....
Yeah!! that's what Mark Webber was looking for also. (see caption this thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
so that you can catch up quickly and benchrace with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
the schumi lovers say he did great although nico beat him because he beat button who is the current wdc. i say button was an anomaly and is no where near as good as the last 4 wdc winners schumacher alonso raikkonen and hamilton.
and this race we saw button in 7th and lewis 3rd so it is starting to show button must be slower than hamilton.
so dont compare schumi with button as it wont take schumi anywhere. i expect schumi to beat button 9 times out of 10
and about mclaren cheating some say the wing that can be stalled with the drivers leg by covering a hole on the snorkel right in front of the cockpit is illegal although the fia say it ok.
I see what you are talking about new.
Personally, I expect Lewis to dominate Jenson for the first half of the season but gradually close the gap.
I do struggle with criticising Button because Schumacher beat him in a different car. That's like saying Schumacher is crap because he is in a car Button won the championship in and cannot even beat Vettel in a broken Red Bull. These sort of comparisons are nonsensical and pure opinion and speculation.
Regarding the wing, McLaren have been a little cheeky but as the FIA say, they cannot see how a drivers leg can be classed as a moveable aero device although I understand this might be tightened up. It's a grey area like a drivers helmet.
Because at the beginning of his F1 career he didn't have to fight one to one against a WDC team mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Guys try at least say something realistic when talking about him.
Little maths lesson for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratonmacias
Rosberg finished some 5 seconds in front of MS after 50 laps, so he was only 0.1 seconds a lap faster than a guy 17 years older than him who didn't race for 3 years and you want us to believe that MS didn't do great?
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
What's 17 years of age and a 3 year break? These cars almost drive themselves, so that shouldn't even be a consideration! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Personally I'm not really sure MS can make a comeback that shows him 100% as strong as he has been in the past. But even if he comes back to 90% of the driver he used to be, his competition should be very, very worried.
I think if anyone is capable of it, he is the one.
Let's talk about Nico. :)
Schu has performed well in his comeback but I think (biased maybe) that Nico has performed very well - not just on the track, but the way he has composed himself since he found out who he was facing across the garage. No b!tching about having a 7 times WDC as a team mate, just hard work and dedicating himself to learning as much as he can from the master in regards to work ethic etc.
Schu will get better, probably soon, and Nico will have his hands full but I think the season could be the making of Rosberg. Fingers crossed :)
I'd say his first two team mates were not there to back him up, he just plain beat them. PK, a tripple WDC, and Riccardo in '93 - a championship runner up and race winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Jos the Boss was the first driver as a designated number 2.
Hopefully Michael now won't be like Nelson snr. before...
I don't think SchM will try to kick anyone for running off the track. :eek: :D
Could be fun tho....Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Who would win in a kickfight between MS and Chandock? :D
Chandokan, of course. How dare you doubt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
ioan lets not get a thing called reality get in the way of your embellishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
In 1991 MSC replaced Moreno for the last 5 GP's of the year driving alongside a 39 year old nelson Piquet 4+ years removed from his WDC in his last few races for the team knowing full well that he will be retiring from F1 ( as well as a contract squabble).
I hardly consider that as "a fight going one-on-one" with Nelson P. Because there really was no fight. They had 3 complete races together. one where his engine went halfway through the GP and the final race where he did not make it past 5 laps.
in 1992 the team was his. He was the clear #1, Flav was running things and he never had to worry about competition from his teammate for essentially his entire career.
see above postQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
1992 was really his first season not 1991 as a replacement for the last 6 GP's of that year. Of course in spa he never made it past one lap and drove for Jordan so he was not competing against NP either.
god please dont. did you just google that up or did you actually watch those races.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
piquet was a former champion and almost 40 he was last champ in 1987. and the chin started racing in 1991. he had already stated that he was leaving.
so you try to refute the statemant that the chin never had a worthy teammate because he was teamed with a former champ for his last 3 races where the chin had nothing to lose?
how would that compare to the really greats of the sport who were scared of no one?
lauda, prost, senna, schekcter,mansell and rosberg were teammates between them and champions. and usually any combination of them had drivers on their prime.
in the modern times we have only seen equally matched teammates on a top team a few times. Villeneuve - Hill Alonso - Hamilton Kimi - Massa and Button - Barrichelo.
now after the brief essay please mention a top tier driver of their time to partner the chin.
Eddie?Quote:
Originally Posted by ratonmacias
We still can never know about the teammates, maybe Michael made them look ordinary. We have to say that Irvine fought with Hakkinen till the very end of 1999 and while the Ferrari was the more reliable car, the McLaren was much faster.
I believe that Michael is the greatest ever driver, extremely fast and the best, by far, in his generation. He allied himself with teams who wanted very badly to win, they knew that he works better when he is team leader and arranged him that. This, in my opinion, proved to be the right choice, as evident from the results.
IRC in 1999 he fought Hakkinen up to the point he broke his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Yes, he made them look ordinary otherwise they would have beaten the living daylights out of everybody (to quote Homer Simpson " btw, I was being sarcastic").
Greatest ever? why? because statistics prove it? statiscs would say that a man with legs on fire and head in the fridge is doing ok.
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Dunno if there are stats ready anywhere, but I dont think MSc has lost many times in quali to his teammate? Does anyone know any better? I think Rubens beat him but only once or twice.
However, Schumi has lost to Nico every time! :)
Yeah, all 1 times.
From a quick glance at Wiki there's at least 15 times that Rubens outqualified Michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Ignoring all the BS, Michael was less than 4 seconds behind after a 3-year layoff. That says a lot when you consider Mansell at the same age at the 1994 Australian GP was 35 seconds behind Hill at mid-race before the collision.
Well, no need to be aggressive, but yes, I think that statistics prove it. I also have witnessed how the guy drives and in my opinion he is the best ever. I always had the feeling that he is outdoing his car - in the years when he lost to Williams and McLaren, in the years he dominated in Ferrari, always. I was never ever calm when he was against the drivers I supported and I was confident that he can do magic in the times I supported him. Maybe other people felt that way about other drivers in the years before Michael. These things are subjective. But for me, he is the best and the stats IMO are not hurting my opinion either.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
And if he really loses to Rosberg this year, which I very much doubt, I think that it will be only because of age - this will prove once and for all the comebacks can never be truly successful. But I believe and hope that he will do his magic again and will beat Rosberg.
Rubens had his great days and is a lot better than some people give him credit for. Not many drivers could do a win like Germany 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
I would normally not say anything to support SchM; however, that 4 seconds is insignificant. First of all, the chances of overtaking Rosberg in a similar car would have been fraught with danger, as it could have ended up with both of them ending up off the track if they battled. This argument is supported by the way Mark Webber pursued Bunsen and often was less than a second behind - but the pass was never on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
So SchM did the sensible thing and backed off. He finished behind Rosberg but in front of the next guy, and that's all that mattered. Rosberg got his points and SchM got his points. Trying to divide the 4 seconds into the number of laps is not a sensible argument.