yes tomi :) Anyone can work in the WRC media tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
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yes tomi :) Anyone can work in the WRC media tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
or pretend to, just make a website and pretend you are a media person, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Is that still true? ISC/North One are meant to be particularly choosey about who signs on as media. In fact there was a good piece by Martin Holmes at the end of last year in 'gpweek'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
What I mean is any tool can set up a blog or a site which aggregates all the WRC news and pretend that they're a media outlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Martin Holmes of course doesn't do this and writes his own pieces.
I just realised that I actually got the 'Letter of the Week' for my rant about the MotorsTV plans. It's in last week's Motorsport News but it was good to see they gave it priority because it shows they don't think MotorsTV has the right idea either - even if they couldn't say it in their original article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Too true Daniel although they can be handy sometimes if you don't take them too seriously. There's several sites that basically collate their info from all the rally forums and motorsport sites around Europe. Couple of years ago I "invented" a press release, based on the truth of course, and posted it on a forum, saw it in 2 of these particular sites, simply copied and pasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
But I guess it's difficult to start a rally news site without connections or media credibility.
Thats the big point. You need some connections with teams and/or drivers to do a good job, and so a good rally site. Everyone's able to do journalism from a desktop, with press releases and news published previously in other medias.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
looks like it is on Dave still - it is on Motors TV and looks liek its on Youtbe too
Right then lets see what they have put together for Motors.
First thing is no Paul King.
Bit of an incoherent mess so far. Amateurish voice over. They are going to have to rethink their onboards approach if all the cameras are filming is the back section of the roll cage with a tiny slit view out of the windscreen.
On the upside there is a helicopter in the air. Lets see how much they show the proper footage.
agree simmi, imo Paul king was better no? certainly beats neil cole showing Petter how to make soup eh? needs mot footage down the field, petter, henning etc
They left Andersson out of the end-of-day top 10.
No Paul King histeronics, but the commentator didn't sound all that interested to be honest.
I was surpised they didn't show the other classes (sWRC, jWRC) given that the programme is that long.
Good to see a few more interviews than normal but in general the programme as a bit boring (too long maybe?)
I don't really like onboards from the current World Rally Cars. They are nice on the fast sections but in the twisty bits they just nod and twitch everywhere.
I'd just like to congratulate MotorsTV on making the worst rally coverage I have ever seen. That physically hurt me to watch. An hour where the main camera angle used was a reverse onboard shot showing the driver. Onboards are a terrible idea but when you couple that with the shocking camera placement and quality you are just left with a pathetic mess. They barely showed any exterior shots. They barely showed any of the field. They had double the airtime but actually managed to show less of the drivers. It took them 35mins to show any footage of Petter for example. Gronholm featured twice in the hour. Zero mention of the SWRC.
The editing has got worse than before. That was an incredibly difficult thing to achieve but somehow they managed it. The commentary was unclear and fairly uninformative. It was difficult to even work out what was going on at times. Very messy in all areas. The decision-making was terrible.
So in summary it missed the point so badly it's untrue. As an intro to the season it was pathetic. It left me in utter disbelief. To take some of the worst monotonous coverage in all of sports and then make it TWICE as bad is really some feat. Motors has one legit programme on its books and it seems intent on sucking the life, drama and story out of it. Unbelievable.
I have to agree with simmi, it wasn't good. Henning wasn't even mentioned, as well as the other classes and the commentator was really boring to listen too, barely any shots of the cars from outside...
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Originally Posted by Simmi
Agree 100%.
The worst rally coverage I have seen. Just pathetic
What the heck is wrong with this commentator!?
He stutters, misses words then pauses and has to think. About as enjoyable as listening to a cat stuck in a food blender.
Most disappointing if I have to listen to this utter dribble for the whole championship!
WE DEMAND A NEW COMMENTATOR!
Watching the first 7 minutes of the new WRC on Motors TV, change the logo to transparent guys! Why do they need a camera man, jumping around and running when the cars are parked at the beginning of the stage?! Should he be IN the stage rather then just having ONE guy on ONE corner? And fair enough always good to have one at the end of the stage....
A bit too long with Loeb at the end of the stage when he was driving to stop, we don't need to see that, just cut to the interview. Easy.
Helicopter would be good to see more of.... but still only 7mins into the 47 mins of the show...
Commentator.... UGH
Come on! Get the guy from the IRC last year who was making it all up on the spot when it was LIVE! not this young guy who can't even talk properly!
What absolute e that programme was last night!! The new low in WRC broadcasts. Lets hope NOS come on this forum, and have media type meetings next week and put it right.
In car camera angles were pathetic, who wants to see the rear door / rear wing view of a rallycar? Too much camera on the crew's faces shots (that would have been OK for Ramona and Miraiam). Commentator was useless. I got the impression it was even more 4 works drivers, plus Kimi. We got coverage of Matt W, but not the second nominated Stobart driver. Token coverage of Marcus. When you think about the massive effort Petter made to raise sponsors, and Henning for that matter, they got minimal in Petter's case, and I suspect because of the incident with Matt, and nothing of Henning. The absolute injustice was not even a mention, let alone coverage of drive of the day PG!
If Kris Nissen and the VW board were watching, I suspect they will sanction a new Dakar car, and if Monte organisers and IRC wwere watching I guess they were laughing all the way.
IRC will be laughing for the rest of the year with Joy!
Have to say it was pretty bad. The on-boards from the rear of the car were very difficult to watch. The commentary was very bitty - odd pauses, stopped in mid sentence etc...
The main thing I noticed was that the picture quality is very poor. I have been used to watching it on Eurosport HD (which I got specially for the rallying :( ) which has been great so this is a real down turn.
For a sport trying to raise it's profile this seems to be a backward step and the presentation makes the sport look amateur.
However, on the up side there are plenty of viewings of the coverage repeated throughout the day and so far it has been on time....
It's actually not a step backwards... it's NEVER been this BAD!
What a crappy coverage:
- if you show on-board, please on the roof of the car where you can see some scenery. I think the cars will get a lot of livery inside, because...
- ...where are the cameras next to the road? Almost nothing, you can't compare passages of two cars on the same spot anymore :( If you do live coverage, you can understand why they use a lot of on-boards.
This is getting poorer and poorer :(
Hope they improve a lot, but what is there to improve if they are only four good cars in a rally?
Why don't they show any other championship, to bring some variation in 45mins!
I think it should just be cleared up. This is actually not North One's fault in a sense. I believe there will have actually been the same amount or possibly more good exterior footage from day one that their TV people shot. It was just not used.
This was a case of Motors being so ass-backwards that they figured people wanted to see a bunch of monotonous poor-quality onboard instead of any real action. They suceeded in making the coverage totally boring. It was like they were briefed to try and convey the WRC without actually showing any cars. It was almost like they were taking the piss out of us fans.
North One should step in. I doubt they will. I doubt anyone from there reads the forum - which is they had any shred of sense they would.
Does anyone have any contact details for Motors? I wouldn't mind firing off an email headed WTF!!!!!!!!!!! Frederic Viguer should hang his head in shame.
MotorsTV has a forum :)
Joining and complaining!
Done: http://www.motorstv.com/forums/car/w...motors-tv-2010
Come on guys, write some more of your 'positive' thoughts...!
I wonder if they read their own forum? They can't have received any positive feedback from that pathetic effort.
They have as people have written here.
I was not too impressed yesterday, but I will watch tonight as well and do my notes.
Made a thread for this on their forum, so lets hope they are open for well meant suggestions !
Register and Put your comments in here:
http://www.motorstv.com/forums/car/w...r-wrc-coverage
I've only seen bits, but the in car cameras are a waste if you can only see a small bit outside of the windscreen, and as for looking back at the driver. Why?? It just doesn't do any good for the sport, just give the impression of 'amateur hour'. Honestly, look at the old BBC coverage from 10 years ago, it waa far better.
Gotta love some comments!
http://www.motorstv.com/forums/car/w...motors-tv-2010
its good they have a forum though....i think they will improve.
Didn't they give Motors the broadcast rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I got to the chance being in Australia to watch the local coverage which is the same as last years Eurosports coverage (not sure who the production team is) and I compared it to the Motors coverage. Night and day is the answer when comparing.
Yes Motors are producing an extra 23 minutes coverage (adds excluded) but its seems to me that all this extra is just onboards, which is useless on the Citroen's. The coverage just seemed about cars driving through the forest; forgive my ignorance but weren't they in a race and if so its the broadcasters duty to explain the race situation as it unfolds not just show the top 4 cars! Overall it was a very disjointed coverage that wasn't helped by a very average commentator.
As a comparison, the 'old coverage team' opened day 1 with highlights from the Karlstad super special and explained what happened to Petter. This was done by Motors in a quick one line sentence with no pictures.
I would have no idea how someone that doesn't have any rally knowledge could possibly follow the rally with this coverage. If I was North One I would be furious as I can't see how Motors are doing anything in promoting the WRC to new viewers.
The commentator was calling Hirvonen, Latvala! That is an inexcusable blunder. Sort it out!
Who is the commentator, and what rally background does he have ?
What material do they get from North One Sport to work with ?
Have anyone seen coverage from others that are sending WRC this year, and if so are they any different ?
Does anyone have access to this page?
http://www.motorstv.com/live/live-sweden-rally-day-4
North One edit the Motors TV show from the same pool of footage as the main international/old Eurosport footage BUT they have massively reduced rights for what they can show, probly for money reasons, so it is largely a specialist onboards-based show. The show is chopped together, sent to Motors TV HQ & voiced from there, quickly, in a bunch of different languages.
The Dave show at 6pm tonight better be good...!
I felt bad for criticizing Paul King after seeing how bad this new announcer is, but I don't care really, I've only watched 4 wrc rallies coverage last year. Rather than asking for all opinions, MotorsTV only want short terms, that's just seem they only want to improve things for their own interest and not the fans interest.
I've saw the Dave pre-Sweden coverage and I have to admit its very entertaining and one of the better WRC coverage I've seen in a very long time. Someone who never seen rally before could enjoy it. Of course, they had time over the winters and plenty of materials to fine tune it, I don't expect the Sweden review will be as good and probably feature some goofy celebrity. However, it seem Eurosport is learning to get it right, if they can continue to improve for the next one, review of Sweden, then I would definitely watch more Dave this season
I had wondered whether they were limited to using C-Grade footage. Basically all the stuff that this time last year would have ended up on the cutting room floor. This begs the question - if it is the case - why are they being limited? What is the reason for reduced rights? If it is because Motors cant afford it then that is INSANE. The one channel that is prepared to show daily highlights but North One aren't prepared to give them the full package. That is pathetic. It's their business coming before the WRC. And it is us fans that lose out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry_Japan
I'm watching it back now and for the first stage of the day they literally showed 4 exterior shots. It's boring and unwatchable in this format. It takes all the spectacle of rallying away. They may as well not have bothered.
I never thought I'd say this but I'm actually looking forward to the Dave show. Motors are making them look like the saviors of the WRC.
Yeah they did do. The more I think about it and the more info that becomes clear - the more I blame North One.Quote:
Originally Posted by curry
So I retract that statement.