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Finally , JWRC is no more :)
Any of this meeting for R categories? Or is all R stuff to be discussed end of Sept?Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
is super production going to be different to R4?
Any news on restrictor sizes for WRC, R4, Super Production?
Have a look at the 2011 fia rally car classesQuote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Yeh, it looks like everyone will just have to wait for end of Sept for the official anouncement. As there is lots of talk on all the classes, a list of all the classes discussed on here.
R1
R2
R3
R3T
R4
S2000
Super Production
GT
S1.6T / World Rally Car
Which ones will be confirmed and what size turbo restrictors? Lets just wait.
What about R3D and Hybrid ?Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
and do not forget N4 but 2 wheel drive.
Renault is announcing the Megane N4 with 1000 kg.
Turbo with 33 mm restrictor!!!
1000 kg? Not possible (first gr.N has minimum homologation weight - may be changed, I don't know - and second it's impossible to make Megane RS so light under gr.N regulations).
So what are the GrN 2wd weight limits ?
Don t know ,but no way near 1000kg.A renault megan to make it 1000 kg you have to cut a lot of metal from body. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Renaults never had much metal in the bodywork panels anyway. lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
http://translate.google.no/translate...%3D137380.html
Renault is actually making a 2wd gr N car, and it will debut at Rallye Du Var in November. Hm do they know something we dont about the new classes ?
There was few years ago a comparison between Renault Clio Sport 2.0 Ragnotti and Honda Civic Type R (EP3) in Vauhdin Maailma. The Renault weighted 1043 kg and the Honda 1151 kg. The minimum weight for the Renault is by the homologation 935 kg and for the Honda 1075 kg. As you can see they aren’t even near the min. weight and I think the weight of the Megane will be somewhere between 1100-1150 kg.
The weight limits for group N cars are individual except for 4WD cars homologated after 1.1.2006 the min. weight is 1350 kg.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...-actuelles.pdf
Today is the day of WRC commission meeting...
Many are waiting for the outcome of this meeting. Lets see what is said on all these classes
R1
R2
R3
R3T
R3Diesel
R4
S2000
Super Production
GT
S1.6T / World Rally Car
GpN 2WD
Is it supposed to be a 1 day meeting, or several days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
At least Gerard Quinn will be there for three days, Monday – Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
www.twitter.com
WRCgerardquinn “Arrive Cork airport. Home for 1 day then fly to Paris for FIA meetings Mon to Wed.” 8:32 PM Sep 24th via txt
WRCgerardquinn “Preparing for my meetings with the FIA tomorrow. Like winter here in the centre of Paris. Homesick - the usual Sunday blues.” 9:47 PM Sep 26th via web
This meeting will decide the rallyfuture for years to come, so they better get it right !
Wonder if they ever are in on forums like this to check out what the close followers and fans mean. If they loose us, they loose the sponsors as well.
Lets hope they keep it real simple, and makes most of the classes affordable for a privateers - including WRC, so that we get the volumes we need of cars that can win, like in IRC !
Fingers crossed !
Maybe the 2wd Megane is will represent the R4 class we have been talking about, and that the upper classes will be SP and WRC as the two only 4wd cars ?
Any news yet?
Lets hope for 34mm for R4
I was looking for something else but then I noticed this (where the header is “liitto tiedottaa”, date 9.9.10).
This is mostly about Finnish Championship but R4 would be an international class. The FIN R 4WD is basically group A regulations (34 mm restrictor etc.). Could this FIN R 4WD and proposed changes be a base for the R4 regulations.
http://translate.google.com/translat...ourheilu.fi%2F
Changes predictable in FIN R 4WD's technical regulations - cars to join the Finnish Rally Championship
N4, unfortunately, seems to be vanishing folklore among car manufacturers. The group has had two major car manufacturers, Mitsubishi and Subaru. N4 car sales have largely ceased after the new international class Super 2000's was introduced, and it made the transition to the national championships.
There are thousands of N4 cars in the world, and particular in the Nordic countries. In practice, we should consider how we could revitalize the category and to give these cars a little more lifetime. At the same time we are worried, of course, about the Finnish Rally Championship.
There has been made a proposal to FIA from Finland about new homologations for N4 cars and change the N4 regulations in line with the new R regulations to a R4 class. These cars would be based on the N4 homologations, but they’re weight could be reduced to R-group regulations and all parts would be homologated. The two car manufacturers want to make their cars faster to be able to better compete with Super2000 cars.
We believe that the direction is not entirely correct nationally. Our competition cars should be based on existing FIN-R 4WD rules, and the N4 cars shouldn’t either be excluded from the championship. Sure it would be possible to also participate with the future FIA R4-rules cars, of which is made in Finland own rules when the class is the first approved by FIA.
AKK-Motorsport has prepared a draft for FIN R 4WD's technical rules changes. Our proposal is based on the following points:
- N4 cars are not homologated any longer in the future and class will disappear from the world
- We need more cars to the Finnish Championship
- The car’s rules should be at nationally appropriate cost levels
- The cars should be able to been build in a "garage"
- Only parts based on homologations always increases the costs
- We do not deny the N4 cars, it would be still possible to fight for the Finnish Championship with N4 cars
- The existing WRC cars are unable to drive in the Finnish Championship with this rule changes made to the FIN 4WD class
Listing the proposed changes, FIN-R 4WD technical rules can be found here.
And the proposed changes are:
- The model of the make should be of year 2000 or younger. FIA R4 homologation can be used.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- The min. weight would be 1130 kg.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 4.16. Exhaust system: waste gate is free, but the type and method of operation must be maintained. The exhaust system is free excluding the turbo.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 5.3. Final drive and differential: however, additional lubrication and cooling is allowed (a recirculating pump, radiator, air intake under the car) under the same conditions as in paragraph 4.14.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 6.7. Shocks: The anchorage of the top of the shocks may be increased up to 40 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.1. Lightening and reinforcements: the material of the bonnet and the hatch of luggage compartment, front fenders, rear doors and rear spoiler can be changed, but the format will follow the original shape. The shape of the inner side is free or can be removed.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.3.1. Dashboard: The dashboard highest point in front of the steering wheel may be lowered but not more than 50 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.3.7. Heating System: FREE[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.2.6. Glasses: The windscreen and both front doors windows must be approved for road use, which will also be marked in the glass. Only mass-produced or homologated (minimum weight 9.2 kg) windscreens may be used. Laminated glass windshield is mandatory. The rear side windows and rear glass can be changed to plastic (original format), provided that they are transparent and the thickness of at least 3 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
When can we expect a press release from the meeting - today or tomorrow ?
Some interesting stuff there.
Today is the day of the announcement! Do they get a 34mm restrictor?
News from the FIA meeting is?
Q: KeH08 @WRCgerardquinn Was there any decisions made during the Paris meeting concerning future technical regulations (WRC, R4)?
A: WRCgerardquinn @KeH08 No definitive regulations for R4 at this time. It was discussed but final outcome yet to be given by FIA
I hope all the other rally categories do not get forgotton about now that the new WRC 1.6 turbo category is bering pursued with M Sport, Citroen and prodrive.
It will be a shame, as it will just be like WRC 2 litre category all over again, when everything below just gets pushed to one side.
Any updates on the R classes? Or is it not happening for now?
There is something in Motorsport News today 13th Oct about Mini and R3. David Richards says priority has to be given to the 1.6T WRC car, but in 2012 Prodrive hope to have an R3 Mini, (2 wheel drive) to compliment the Citroen, and Renault cars in that class. DR says the future of Group N is unclear and something needs to fill the void from the Subaru / Mitsu Group N cars. Its only my opinion based on what I am reading, including the fact that JWRC's replacement will be R2, that a ladder structure is possibly coming in based on R2 (JWRC) and R3 (possibly PWRC replacement) and R4 (swrc?)being talked about. thus keeping WRC 1.6T as the pinnacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
So I guess they will use the new small Mini for the R Class ?
Cooper S seems to be ideal for R3T class.
Obviously, DR would say that. As he is involved with the new 1.6 world rally car category.
If there was only R1, R2, R3, R4 & R GT classes. The comments would be different.
MINI for R3T class is good news :)
Fabia R2 gravel tests: http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic....42768a6e6ebdb0
So when is the next FIA meeting that will decide on the 2011 car classes ?
It seems to be next 3th of NovemberQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Next week Wednesday sounds good!
Lets hope some good news :)
Will new Skoda Fabia R2 be R2B as Citroen C2, Ford Fiesta and Renault Twingo? If that, does anyone know if any make has got plans to develop any R2C car? Theoretically, it would be possible, but nobody appears to be interested. Which could be the reason? :confused: Thnx in advance
Yes, it's R2B - 1600 ccm.
Thnx a lot Mirek :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I was looking if there’s any changes in the Finnish championship for 2011 and found this.
“Four-wheel drive Category
Four-wheel drive class i.e. SM1 in competition for more than 2000 cm3 of N-group, the FIA Super 2000 and R4 Rally rules. FIA R4 is new in season 2011, the classification rules are valid early 2011, so let’s see if they make it for the season.”
http://translate.google.com/translat....fi%2Fsarja%2F
Does anyone know if s1600 cars as Suzuki Swift or Citroen C2, etc are homologated as R variant at FIA lists? Maybe as R2B?
OK, let’s take it once more.
Suzuki only as S1600, Citroën C2 as both S1600 and R2B.
There are three main groups; group N, group A and group R. Pure group A cars don’t exist anymore but I would call WRC and S1600 as extension of group A.
Group N:
Group N is divided in four classes by the cylinder capacity.
N1: 1400 cm3 or less
N2: 1401-1600 cm3
N3: 1601-2000 cm3
N4: over 2000 cm3
N4:
Mitsubishi 4WD
Subaru 4WD
Renault Megane 2WD
All Super 2000 cars
These cars have a 2000 cm3 engine but with a turbo the nominal cylinder capacity is multiplied by 1.7, so the calculated engine capacity is 3400 cm3 i.e. over 2000 cm3.
Group A:
Group A is also divided in four classes by the cylinder capacity.
A5: 1400 cm3 or less
A6: 1401-1600 cm3
A7: 1601-2000 cm3
A8: over 2000 cm3 (includes also WRC)
All WRC cars
S1600:
Opel Corsa
Citroën Saxo (homologation ends 2010)
Citroën C2
Fiat Punto (homologation ends 2010)
Ford Puma (homologation ends 2010)
Ford Fiesta
Peugeot 206 (I’m not quite sure if it’s S1600, KS homologation)
Renault Clio
Suzuki Ignis
Suzuki Swift
VW Polo (homologation ends 2010)
Group R:
R1B:
Renault Twingo
R2B:
Ford Fiesta
Citroën C2
Renault Twingo
R3C:
Renault Clio
Honda Civic Type R
R3D:
Fiat Punto
R3T:
Citroën DS3
Fiat 500 Abarth
Peugeot 207