To quote someone else, Bernie wants it that way. You as a fan are not important. As long as he can fill 50,000 seats - anywhere - and get paid, with tv rights to follow, he will.
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To quote someone else, Bernie wants it that way. You as a fan are not important. As long as he can fill 50,000 seats - anywhere - and get paid, with tv rights to follow, he will.
Oh yeah!! I almost forgot - how about organisation four or five hookers to come and give the boss a whipping while he yells out "ein, zwei, drei!!"? That would be fun, wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by motetarip
Lewis likes botn Abu Dhabi and Suzuka. We can have both, buddies :)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80055
With thinking like that, and dull races, You would think F1 was hurting for fans. THe problem is, they are not...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Lmao I think we may have found a new way to spice F1 up, Mosley style! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
No. I want a world championship with a grands prix that are representative of Western principles. It would exclude most of the new races.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
The ONLY reason that Bernie bends over for dictators is because they are prepared to pay a price above what a grand prix is actually worth.
And I am opposed to grands prix that are paid for by governments.
My ideal is a world championship at real racing circuits not ostentatious aberrations like Yas Marina that was more a celebration of everything that is tasteless and gaudy and sucked up to anyone considered a celebrity.
In a recent Autosport there was post Yas Marina column written that essentially says it almost all.
To his credit, Hamilton was the only driver to speak out some truths about Yas Marina.
Well I have never considered an f1 race dull. I enjoy them all and being at a grand prix is different to watching it on tv of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
But there is a significant problem when in Japan of all places, there are empty seats in the grandstands.
Well, you are skirting around the edges of racial and cultural vilification, itching for a fight with anyone who dares to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Basically, you bring little to the table at Motorsport Forum.
You are being melodramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I was not born there, and I do not live there now, but I was raised in Texas from little to 18 years old, the most influential part of anyone's life and I call it like I see it.
Just because you disagree with me does not make me wrong. Western culture, specifically American, is superior to all those that scorn individual liberty.
Motor racing is the sport of capitalism and I am offended and saddened that f1 cavorts with tyrranies that hate us for who we are yet envy us, for what we have.
Where is the greatest market for Ferrari? Is it the UAE? No. It is the United States of America. Where can you easily fill grandstands with 100,000 people? At a US grand prix. Yet the UAE have TWO grands prix.
Yet we have no grand prix here. Disgrace.
The FIA could put a stop to this and Jean Todt has, I am thrilled to say a few days ago indicated that he will not allow further traditional venues to be usurped in favor of new venues without any attachment to motor racing. He is going to make the FIA use its available power unlike Mosely, not to rubber stamp f1 decisions by Bernie, but to govern properly without favor.
As Autosport correctly noted, to Abu Dahbi, formula one is merely a means to an end. It is merely part of a gauche entertainment center that views f1 as an interesting promotion. And if the moment takes it, will also drop it.
Lewis Hamilton went part of the way commenting on Yas Marina and clearly indicated that the circuit as superb as the facilities are, is not at all ideal, the place has no character and the traditional venues are still better and should be retained.
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
If that is the way you feel you don't really want a world championship at all. You want others to provide for a western championship with worldwide tracks.
Having been born in Texas myself, I find your views shallow and pompous at best. We have no grand prixs here due to the small fan base, and lack of interest in part comes from the lack of information on things "other than American". US fans embrace NASCAR in the way the european countries embrace F1, yet the US lacks in F1 following just as many of these "new" countries providing new tracks do. Being that they have exposure, maybe their fan base will grow quicker.
Racing to me isn't about politics. It's about racing. And though there are a small handful of countries I would prefer to never see F1 enter in the near future, there are far more I would love to see embrace the sport and bring us new venues to race at.
IMHO the older tracks that many of us love will fade away, and more and more tracks will become like Yas Marina. For the price invested they need to keep filling seats, and ensuring the fans can actually see the race from those seats will help with filling them. We just need designers that can do that while creating a more challenging and diverse track layout.
Please keep politics off here...thank you!
I agree. Races should matter because of the event and the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
obvious truth, but you forgot 'real racing' as well as historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
and a truth lost on those going gagaga over aduya.....
track was crap and they have to rely on gimmicks like the tunnel and a hotel with lights that make it look like some big gonad with a pair of balls in the middle of no where ..... :rolleyes:
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This track is either loved or hated. It is all in the beholder. For a Tilke circuit, it is his best work. Still aint no Spa tho. Give me Silverstone too.....
I disagree it is his best work, the Sepang track is far better and is a real racing circuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
For me it is the entire concept that is Ass Marina which I find objectionable - I would be as opposed to an f1 track being part of Disneyland.
The track is incidental almost and is part of an entertainment project by the abu dabhi rulers that is part of a massive "new age" kind of scheme.
Glad I wasn't the only one to think that. Justs watched the highlights on red button and the hotel looked like it had "blue balls" lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Itīs more like a road b*tch house, with all these blue and pink lights on it... An expensive one, of course. It has an interesting shape too! The ultimate place for adult entretainment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
It is a matter of taste, I rate Yas Marina much higher than Sepang, but calling the place with names is really immature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
You are entitled to your view.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
My comments are mild compared to what many of the British marshalls that officiated at the event were calling it!!
There are as always two arguments. When F1 first went to Japan people were complaining that the sport was following money rather than going to places with a real motorsports heritage. Who the hell wants to go to some funny track called Suzuka anyway? Don't they make bikes?
Eventually some of these tracks will create their own heritage, in a few years time we'll talk about great races at Sepang or Turkey in the same breath as more traditional tracks.
Tilke's tracks are very F1 specific, giving the drivers, cars and engineers a proper test. Watch MotoGP races on Tilketracks and you'll see how far the tracks are adjusted for F1 needs at the expense of all other forms of motorsports because of the aero capabilities of F1 cars.
I think Turkey of all his tracks is the best, the long fast left hander at the back of the track combined with some sudden changes of height that force the cars to run with a higher rideheight force the teams to make a compromise, one that we the viewer don't see but causes a major setup conundrum for the teams and drivers.
That said, I didn't like Yas Marina and I think it speaks volumes that despite being held in the Middle East the entire timing of the race shows that it wasn't aimed at an Arab audience but directly packaged for a European one. If the locals can't drum up interest for the races whats the long term prospect for these massively expensive races, especially when the novelty wears off (and it will, quickly, with two races a season in close proximity in Bahrain and Abu Dhabi).
During the race the BBC commentators kept making reference to the pricetag. $800 million for the track, $800 for the hotel in the middle. If Bernie wants Britain to put as much money into Silverstone he can sod off. As much as I love both F1 and Silverstone neither is worth that level of money.
You make a very good point about Tilke's tracks being very F1 specific. And that in my mind, is a mistake. There is more to Motorsport than F1 - look what happened to Hockenheim, butchered purely for F1. Catalunya had a silly chicane added, fortunately the MotoGP boys have not used it. Most of the Tilke tracks used by MotoGP have proved to be short lived, as the racing is processional - and have been dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
You guys want to see a real track? Have a look at Mt Panorama at Bathurst. Now THAT is the ultimate racing track!!
Silverstone is in process of negotiating with Ecclestone and the track modifications and moving of the pit area to another part of Silverstone looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
The issue is that they want a long term contract.
Absolutely agree!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
One of my favorite names in racing is "Conrod Straight"!
Do you like the Algarve track?
Yes I do. i think its the best race track built in recent times. well, that and portrero de los funes in san luis that is. so pleased the WTCC will go to algarve next year, hope f1 does one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
but to whom suggested Bathurst as the ULTIMATE track. err, great track. but the ULTIMATE track would be a 25 mile combination of the nurburgring nordschliefe, spa, la sarthe and bathurst IMO. but one can dream...........
I don't think so. The Nurburgring might have been a good track to drive a BMW X5 around if it still existed today, but the track had too shortcomings to be compared with today's race tracks. For a start, spectators get a short glimpse of the cars for a very short while then have to wait for ages for them to come around again. And sections of it would require huge improvements to the surfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Bathurst IS the ultimate track - long uphill straight, long downhill straight with a fast corner at its end, great challenging three dimensional corners through the mountain top. You won't beat that.
The only problem is that the mountain section's curves have too much in flexes and changes of vertical and horizontal curvature that F1 cars' downforce devices simply cannot cope with it. But then, who would want that fantastic landscape turned into Stalag 17 with F1's fences!! :eek:
Problem with Bathurst is that there's no Flugplatz/130R type of corner - long straight then a near flat corner.
Compared to the rest of the track its a minor fault and easily a top 5 race track in the world.
OK! I'll bite!! Why would anyone want a Flugplatz/130R at Bathurst? There is The Chase at the bottom of Conrod, and if that ain't challenging enough, then what is? http://www.therealmountpanorama.com/...tour/chase.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I hope so too. The GP2 race there was brilliant, very exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Sounds like you would resurrect the Mille Miglia and Targa Florio - indeed one can dream..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
And I think Nico Rosberg would be the first to sign up!!
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
now that is a dream........
commence the Targa Nurburglemans spahurst migliaflorio! :D
Nah, it leads immediately into a braking zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I'd say McFillermy. Brockie and Dickie Johnson getting lairy on the exit by carrying too much speed into the corner.
I meant challenging for your Flugplatz!! not another corner at Bathurst. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce