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Yep. And it's absolutely understandable as the FIA is trying to cut all the links between Flav and any FIA sanctioned event. This will push the drivers to change search for another manager, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfa Fan
PS: All this has been discussed in the first few pages of this thread.
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Originally Posted by henners88
Ron favored Lewis and Flav favored Alonso, that's right. Where did I say that Ron was deciding the strategy?! Ordering that 'driver X has to get the better strategy' doesn't exactly equal deciding the strategy for the race just which driver will be favored within the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
That's what I'm trying to explain. They might have the authority but in 99% of the cases don't have the knowledge to do so, so they don't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
AFAIK Flav might have had the idea of the crash but he proved it in numerous occasions that when it comes to anything technical he is pants.
Also I'm pretty sure that having the board of directors decide the race strategy is unheard of in F1.
Symonds is the first and last man who had a say in the strategy department at Renault.
If you read the leaked documentation about the Crashgate you probably also stumbled over the part where Alonso's engineer questions Symonds strategy decision but he can not override it and Symonds has the last say in the matter.
So in the end the proof was some little blackmailing fag with telemetry that fits his driving style that took down the cheating empire. Well now that he is banned for life I wonder if Flav will come back and spill the beans about the "Ioan God"
I don't get the verdict. Renault as a team get of lightly because the individuals within team acted badly?? Briatore and Symonds and Piquet sound like Renault team to me. Kick Renault out. Can't anyone explain when the team/organisation is corrupted and when are individuals corrupted? How many individuals/persons has to be corrupted before a entire team can be kick out?
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Originally Posted by ioan
ok now i don't understand what your getting at - i was just wondering if, maybe, Renaults fit of honesty was a result of the previous punishments handed out by the FIA. nothing to do with the court.
if so its good that the FIA's stance has resulted in teams not being willing to risk fighting something they are guilty of due to the fear or the consequences of losing.
I agree that Briatore needed to be punished, but I think that the FIA went way overboard. After all, Briatore fixed the result on ONE race. McLAren, instaed, for trying to win the whole champioship. Yet Flavio gets banned for life and instead McLAren got a fine.Yes a big one, but nobody got banned for life. Nobody!!! Therefore my feeling is that what we eyewitnessed here is not a punishement but a true revenge. What else can it be? They waited ONE year to actually come up with all this?? ONE year??? It was not justice that Mosley was after. It was revenge.
Yeah but Renno FIXED a race, McLaren didn't.
We'll see whether this ban will stand with the new president. And Flavio was going to retire sooner or later anyway. He has no time to discover a third great after MS and Alonso and the third one would have been likely lured by Ferrari again :-)
Who know. As I said earlier, maybe yes maybe not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
It might be that they took this stance given that they know that the FIA will throw the book at them.
It might as well be that Renault would have acted like this anyway.
I guess only the top bras at Renault know exactly.
With Flav out of Renault, maybe he'll run to become the new president. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Mwahaha! :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
The ruling prohibits him any kind of links with anything related to the FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
Loyalty by definition does not include a cost - for Symonds it is merely the price, not a sacrifice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
And we still are none the wiser.
The end of the era of Flavio is like that of Caligula - in the end nothing will have changed.
Those that trumpet Flavio's going are no better than the Caligula conspirators because the FIA is rotten to its core with their secret agreements and selective punishments. The praetorian guard will still triumph!
And so begins the demise of Renault team f1 to become as all the auto manufacturers teams - bereft of success.
You declare so with the name of Michael Schumacher displayed as your motto?!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Who are you? The statue of Janus?!
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I'm me! Who are you?! :rotflmao:
I''ll have what he's having
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I think F1 and it's fan base are far wiser for investigation and doing what needed to be done. This was flat out crooked race fixing. It wasn't stealing design to gain advantage, it wasn't trying to copy another car.
Flavio has no place in F1 as it stands. For them to set such a precedent and allow him to stay would be suicide in the eyes of most fans. Renault took the high road, and took action on their own before the FIA hearings. By comparison, Mclaren took the low road by involving more people, repeated lies, and covering up everything they could until proven guilty.
I will have much more respect for Renault even if the team does falter, than I could possibly have if they protected a race fixer and swept it under the rug.
And Ferrari with the eager agreement of the FIA fixed the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The concretes may be different but the abstract dishonesty is the same. That nest of vices known as the FIA with its kangaroo courts has reached a low point that ought to have the honest men in f1 speak out.
But they are weak.
And the public? The so-called racing fans - they happily bray and moan at the moon and yell and cheer as peasants in the Dark Aged did as the blood flowed from the torture dispensed by the Inquisitions.
They castigate Briatore and Symonds and Renault. Hypocricy and schadenfreude are the order of the day.
God help this sport from its rulers and its so-called fans - after all it looks as if Bernie is right - the future of this sport is better leveraged towards the East than the West.
God help this sport!
I don't think they made any allowance for a piqued Jr. That basically let the cat out of the bag, and doomed these two buggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
What we have witnessed is not justice, but whimsical punishment by a power.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I am sorry that Flavio is gone. Nevertheless he will retire to his island with its luxury home, his beautiful wife and know that he remains the most successful principal of his era.
Two of the best drivers his gift and a Renault team that won championships.
The derision by little people, little nobody's on this forum who choose to emotionalistically celebrate his demise and choose to forget what he gave this sport and therefore the fans, is a magnificent disgrace.
I am pleased that I am not coated by their stench.
I was just wondering how long before someone starts blaming Ferrari for this! You won the jackpot! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Oh for goodness' sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Maybe you might like to consider the fact that this is also a man who was sentenced to four years in jail many years ago by an Italian court, although he somehow managed to avoid serving his time. Is this a gentleman worth admiring? I would suggest that a certain stench thus hangs around the subject of your admiration.
Bla bla bla.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
You must feel very alone right now in your world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
How did you measured his success? Number of models paid to sleep with him? :D
I think you are entitled to leave us, little nobodies, and this forum, before pino bans you for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
did they forget about this when the sacked piqued JrQuote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
or have they got away with this before with other drivers keeping their mouth shut ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...or-QPR-KO.html
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FLAVIO BRIATORE will be kicked out of football following his ban from Formula One.
Under the Football League's 'fit-and-proper person' rules, the first disqualifying condition states that nobody can be a director or hold a majority interest in a club if they are "subject to a ban from a sports governing body relating to the administration of their sport".
Piquet is fortunate that he did not cross AJ Foyt because he would have been nursing a broken jaw and he deserves more than that - the little bitch.
Maybe the disclosures of Piquet's private life are true after all......!
Where I come from, snitches get stitches.
But staisfaction is that Piquet's career in top level motor racing is now over and he does not have one iota the success of Flavio. He will always be remembered more for his snitching based on circumstantial "evidence" as well as being a failure in f1.
Very satisfying.
He should come to the United States where people are less hysterical and less inclined to do somebody in careerwise and join IndyCars!Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
The corrosive fingers of the FIA and their toxic mindset do not scar domestic American series racing :s mokin:
I think both father and son are horrible people. They can't care less about justice. It's all about being in F1. They were dumped and therefore, all of the sudden, they had this guilt trip they could not live with.
Having said that, I understand bringing Flavio down. But why trying to do the same to Alonso? Unless discussed earlier, the Piquet's know no shame. In their "hunt for justice" they were, especially the father, willing to take anybody down? Why aiming at Alonso?
And despite all that, Piquet junior hoping to be hired in F1 again???????????? :) . What a joke
Ask Nigel Mansell what it is like to work alongside Piquet - but he was a great champion and if Nigel has never seen fit to publicly react to the insults and neither did Senna then I should not either.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
I agree with you essentially - I think Piquet is envious of Alonso. He was raised to believe that he would be where Alonso is. He was teammate to one of the top three drivers in f1 today and Alonso was always close to Flavio.
Instead of Piquet being where Alonso is [and Nelsinho was very close to Flavio - he was flown on Flavio's private jet to watch his first grand prix overseas and stayed with Briatore that weekend] he is the failed outsider now.
What else does he do? Piquet was raised as a prince to be king and now he has been usurped. What else in life must he do now? He will be shunned by top level racing and he must bnow begin to live a life just watching.
His revenge on Briatore will turn out to be the worst punishment - and he deserves it :vader:
You are critisising Piquet and yet you put Mansell on a pedestal, probably because he is British. Both Piquet and Mansell have reputations of being extremely difficult people, so I wouldn't try to gloss it over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye....waves goodbye to Flavio :)
man I got hijacked so fast outta here I forgot what my point was
Nige is a hard guy, Nelson was a b@st@rd :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
I'm glad Fraudio Briatore won't be around from now on. I didn't like the idea of there being a convicted criminal with no previous interest in the sport in such a prominent position.
I wouldn't be surprised if certain people were waiting for an excuse to get rid of him, and they've certainly made the most of this opportunity.
Is there any sympathy for the position Piquet found himself in? When presented with a choice of 'crash' or 'lose your ride' (an oversimplification perhaps) what should he have done?
He has said:Quote:
"I bitterly regret my actions to follow the orders I was given. I wish every day that I had not done it. I don't know how far my explanation will go to making people understand because for many being a racing driver is an amazing privilege, as it was for me. All I can tell you is that my situation at Renault turned into a nightmare."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O7zZDNBKks :pQuote:
Originally Posted by WSRfan82
If they are, what has that got to do with you or anything to do with the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I smell the scent of a certain phobia coming from your direction.
Of course what he 'should' have done is failed to crash, but then of course he would have gotten fired. And if he had told the FIA at that point they would just say he's lying, sour grapes etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
As it is, I seriously doubt Piquet Jr will return to F1 and all he will be remembered for is getting Briatore fired. Perhaps if he had left Renault at the end of 2008 and gotten a drive in another team we would be non the wiser about any of this.
I bet Flavio regrets firing him now!
So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I find your exaggerated respect for Briatore a little worrying. For how many other people who were sentenced, let's not forget, to four years in jail do you have this respect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Guys, guys... piquets were the weapon, not the true force behind this. Flavio was one of the guys who forced Max out. Max wanted his revenge and use the personal drama of the incompetent Junior and the wrath of his malicious Dad to get Flavio out. It's all about Max IMO. He needed one excuse to be done with Flavio and got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
And yes, Flavio has won F1 many times and will go down as a great, although hugely controversial figure. While Nelson jr will be forgotten and nobody will hire him again. Sucker.