Guys if you force me to close another thread, someone will go on holiday for a very long time...
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Guys if you force me to close another thread, someone will go on holiday for a very long time...
Hey Pino, I think thats what you must do. Ban for life. If you think that "yours truly" is the main reason, then I´ll accept it. As long as it brings peace on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Its futile anyway. Every thread turns into the same. Its preventing all discussion. Its killing the forum.
Though I´ve been called dumb (because ... you see... i´m christian) and a beggar (since i´m romanian) I think they shouldn´t ban you. Maybe you´ll get rid of that anger of yours eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
A ban for life is what I will do from now on, as I am really tired of dealing with mature people who act like kids. I will not take this any longer, you all have been warned !Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Back to Kimi now and don't let me repeat that again !
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
But I am lazy, so may I just stick with initials?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
;)
ClarkFan
Ahh but you also "eliminate" items to arrive at your edge :-]Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkFan
The way I describe it I include everything as well as the ability of each team to select the best drivers possible. These are teams that can usually pick and choose whom they want.
What good does it do me as a driver if a team wins the constructors through scoring well with two drivers, if I can be with a team that may not even have the best car but a close one and a teammate that is a good foil for me?
You see my focus was on which team is likely to win a driver the drivers championship - and I find that Mclaren is the better sure thing than Ferrari due to historical evidence as I have laid out.
I fond the spelling of the Finnish names difficult to remember - the doule letters go where?!!! - but I will correct that. Just for you! :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Not so fast.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
The driver that wins the championship is the one that played the game the best because not all capable drivers have cared about winning the title and not all the best drivers in that year have ended up by winning the title.
This is why I do not use the title win to assess the best drivers in a season or an era.
The most often used example is Stirling Moss. His percentages were amongst the best, yet he never won a championship and there are those that would decry that and ignore him.
But there was one man who opinion overrides all and he considered Moss to be his greatest rival. His name was Juan Manuel Fangio.
A more recent driver that openly did not care for the championship title and never raced that way, but raced always to be the quickest qualifier and the grand prix winner and drove him into the hearts of so many, Gilles Villeneuve.
And which fan following the career of Superswede, his so effortless sublime way of driving a racing car taking the Lotus 72 to 9 pole positions in 1973 and he finished second in the tragic season of 1978 when he died from injuries sustained at Monza, could say that he is less than his teammate merely because he did not and never would win a title?
Remember there are team preferences always and it may well be the team that engineers the preferred driver to the championship win - not the best driver.
There are times also when a driver wins the title - as Kimi did in 2007 - when it was essentially because civil war had broken out at Mclaren but he did win it bit also deserved it in other ways because he had been let down frequently by the Mclaren-Mercedes he was driving.
Justice :-]
Thanks :) – not only you are tired – I agree fully that it’s time stop people who has difficult make a distinction between people and the matter in discussion..Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Back to Kimi please...
Pino, you make reference to banning people willy nilly, but when someone comments on this, without so much as the basic courtesy to give an answer or explanation, you delete the post???Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
You feel ok about that do you?
I think you are bahaving improperly, and would like a genuine answer to the perfectly legitimate questions I posed in my post.
sounds to me as if Kimi will be at Brawn -
Sounds to me as if the Silly Season is in high gear! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
Kimi told the Swedish TV in an interview that he’s not concerned about all the speculations of his future – he said he is a Ferrari driver and has a contract for 2010 – what he will do after that he can’t say at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
But he also earlier said that the team (Ferrari) make what they “want” - but he has in any case a F1-car to drive 2010.. Ferraris chairman Luca di Montezemolo assures that the team is delighted with as things stand at present – which (probably) means there is no need for any changes..
It also looks that there will not be any 3-cars team 2010 - Frank Williams is not going to accept that the bigger teams have 3 cars and that means Ferrari has no need to hire any driver for 2010.
Regarding to Ferrari / Santander deal - Luca di Montezemolo said “It’s not sponsors who select our drivers - and add to that - that Kimi is on his top and Massa recovering very well from his accident...
So that means (if i understand it right) for Alonso’s possibilities to get a Ferrari drive (if any) is a question for later discussions..
:)
everyone always thinks it is a forgon conclusion that Alosno will be in Ferrari, but I am not so sure Ferrari are courting Alonsi the wayhe is courting them. For this to happen they would have to buy out Kimi's very large contract, and think that massa and alonso will be a good pairing. I doubt that would happen. If Alonso joins the team, he would expect the type of entitlement that MSC enjoyed and what he though he would get from McLaren. But massa is no pushover both on the track and personality wise.
If they get rid of massa ( a real possibility) then kimi would care less if Alonso was here or not and will continue to perform by doing his own thing. He will absolutely not play second fiddle to Alonso and team orders would be out of the question. You would see on track racing of a high caliber and potentially dicey situations. Either way it will be up to Alonso to adjust his behavior.
Kimi sits pretty IMO. Mclaren and Brawn and possibly even toyota as a good option.(with toyota offering him a staggering deal)
I wonder how staggering deal Toyota could offer anyone when they do not even have their budget confirmed for next year (it will be only decided in November after the season is over) and are reported to take a huge cut from this year's budget anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
car budget and driver budget are two different things.
IMO toyota should be a race winning car. With hopefully a shakeup in the management team and the addition of a top flight driver,I do think that they can make it happen in 2010. they should have already won a race this year and it is just the buffoonery of the race engineers and principles that have caused them not to. I continue to be baffled by their lack of success. If you took the mclaren, ferrari, brawn or RBR crew and gave them the toyota car, specs and data without asking them to innovate anything, they would see that car at the top step of the podium. I will always believe that it is a great car undermined by those folks involved in strategy and to a lesser part by underperforming drivers
I consider the whole Alonso-Mclaren disaster to be the result of not equal but essentially disinterest by Dennis.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
If you read what Alain Prost says, after Senna's arrival into the second season, he was almost totally isolated. And when he beat Senna for the title nobody from the Senna side of the garage or any Mclaren management even congratulated him. He realized his time at Mclaren had essentially ended and he went to Ferrari.
Incredible to know is that his "team" consisted of THREE people!
Ferrari does not operate like that. Its whole culture is one of inclusion - Kimi is a good example of someone that is noticeably reticent to become part of that Ferrari inclusiveness - and Ferrari gives him his space, to their credit.
So I would say Alonso would fit in the Ferrari team well, receive equal attention - he complained butterly that at Mclaren, almost from the beginning, the team only really listened to Hamilton.
If he is available, I cannot believe that Ferrari would continue with Massa rather than Alonso.
And while Ferrari do not allow sponsors to select their drivers, they can make contracts with companies that decide to sponsor them BECAUSE of drivers selected.
Not at all, not at all, they are both part of the team's budget and Toyota's team budget has not been yet approved by their board of directors who are sitting and watching from Tokyo (and are happy that Honda were stupid enough to give up after investing 3/4 of a billion last year).Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Already this year Toyota's budget has been reduced due to the financial crisis and they are looking to reduce it to close to 100 million for next year. This is one of the reasons why they don't want to renew Trulli's contract, because he wants more money than they are ready to pay him.
So where should they find money to make such extraordinary offers to Raikkonen when they don't have the money to pay what Trulli is asking?
And Räikkönen is not even interested in driving for Toyota. I mean what are they going to do next year? My guess is that they will come up with an inconsistent car, the technical team they have have done it every single year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That I can believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Ferrari would be foolish to sack Kimi. Nobody knows for sure whether Massa will get back to what he was. And what he was was only a little above average.
I can't wait to see what Fred's excuse is when he gets smoked by Kimi.
Like Felipe smoked Kimi? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rabf1
Kimi is way to inconsistent and winning only 1 race in more than one year is really not what Ferrari were expecting in return for a 50 million paycheck (per year that is).
If Felipe isn't around next season Ferrari can still have Alonso instead of Kimi (as I'm pretty sure that the managers of both these drivers will not accept that their proteges lose face driving against each other in the same car as their market value would plummet), and at least they know that Alonso is consistent every time he gets in a car.
I'm not saying Kimi isn't fast enough to be a Ferrari driver, he sure is as fast as any other diver out there, it's just that he sometimes let's his twin brother take the wheel way to often and the speed is not there when that happens.
Well, couple of days ago I was certain that all the Finns would switch teams next year. Now it seems HK will stay at McL, Nico will move to Brawn and Kimi will stay at Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
So expect Alonso driving for Ferrari in 2011. The big Q is what will he be doing next year.
His twin brother is actually a big brother called Rami. Are you saying that he took Kimi's place in some of the races in 2008? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You probably wrote that before Santander confirmed that they'd switch to Ferrari, but that pretty much guarantees that Alonso will be driving in red if not in 2010 from 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Kimi doesn't really stand in a strong position. He certainly is in no position to ever get paid as much as he has been, the recession will take care of that. He had better hope and pray that Massa is slower than he's been when he comes back because otherwise he doesn't really have a chance of keeping his seat at Ferrari.
Will McLaren have Kimi back? Why would they need him? Things are working out well with Lewis and all they need is a competent support driver.
Brawn? Maybe, but on a salary similar to Button, ditto for Toyota.
The question is what does Kimi really want to do? He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who wants to break records and I can see him switching sports to find something else that interests him, why else would he compete in WRC? He may not want to remain in F1 that much longer at all.
It certainly looked like Rami drove for most of 2008 and 2009. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Just for the record: Rami is the older brother. And he´s the silent one :) And Ive seen Kimis family at races but they dont come to the paddock.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Btw, thats something I dont understand, but its another story anyway...
I was just kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
BTW I remember seeing his wife and grand mother in the Ferrari pits during a race last year or in 2007.
As as I said in another thread... Kimi was drinking a Red Bull pretty publically after qualifying. Could this be a sign? Surely that can be considered advertising for RB, no?
Ferrari wouldn't allow such a slip up would they?
Both Felipe and Kimi have been doing that since last season at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
he was also eating a magnum in malaysia, maybe this is a sign that magnum are gonna have an F1 team next year and kimi is gonna be his their main driver? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
Oh, and as far as I have seen, red bull have contracted webber and vettel already for next year, I think ;)
A good one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Koz
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78629
:confused:
Domenicali's comments seem a bit contradicting. He is praising Kimi a lot, yet seems to want to get rid of him. What's the point? Alonso/Santander can't wait for one more year?
is Tom Selleck signed up as Kimi's teammate for the Magnum F1 team?Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
He's not going to bash him in front of the press, Stefano isn't a low life like Flavio.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Ferrari know that Kimi didn't perform well enough for a very very long period and probably ask themselves if he is driving really well now or not given that they don't have a serious benchmark for him since Felipe is out.
Also who is to say that as soon as they decide to keep him he won't underperform again?
Also probably Santander are pushing hard to get Alonso in that seat for 2010 already.
Maybe they are negotiating for a salary cut, but after the second part of the season I really wish that they will keep Kimi and I really wish that he wins them the WDC next year...
Nopes. Ferrari has been signing tomsellecks as his teammate since Felipes weird accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho