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19th June 2009, 10:05
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Exactly, and while one of those could not continue alone, any two from three working together could run a series.

Perhaps - pure speculation again - Bernie is seeing this as an opportunity to cut Max out of the picture. Remember it was Bernie who orignially grouped F1 teams together under the FOCA umbrella in order to have more influence in the sport. It worked back in the 1980's (with the help of Max) and perhaps Bernie sees something of FOCA in FOTA :crazy:

FOTA does not need Bernie in any way, they would be much better off without him and his greedy ways.
19th June 2009, 10:07
Dave B

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who says they need to pay much?!
Maybe first year will be free if they will help with substantial publicity for the new series!

There is a precident: the BTCC doesn't exactly cost ITV4 much - quite the reverse if anything.

If FOTA-1 / GPWC / Formula Won or whatever they call themselves offered to pay broadcasters to show their races there could be some mileage in that. Sponsors certainly wouldn't want the series to be consigned to some backwater channel.

The BBC and other current broadcasters could theoretially argue that FOM have breached their contract, but AFAIK the only stipulation is that F1 has to field a minimum of 16 cars - there's nothing to say they have to be driven by household names.
19th June 2009, 10:12
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

FOTA does not need Bernie in any way, they would be much better off without him and his greedy ways.

Agreed. The New Series should show Bernie's A$$ their Boot!
19th June 2009, 10:15
Robinho

we are ignoring the possibility that this will all get cleared up over the weekend and we'll be having the one series with the familiar names next season. this could be enough to get max to stick to his word and not run for re-election, or maybe if he does someone will run against him and get rid of the old fool
19th June 2009, 10:18
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

What was Bernie talking about there? What "contracted people" of his?

He mentions "companies, television contractors" but says "any of our contracted people" and there are quite a few of those!

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

FOTA does not need Bernie in any way, they would be much better off without him and his greedy ways.

Perhaps not. Perhaps FOTA can create an entirely new series without any involvement from Bernie but the fact that they say those "associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature" makes me wonder if any new series can happen without his involvement in some shape or form.
19th June 2009, 10:19
Mark

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Why wouldnt BBC be able to show "f1" and the FOTA series at the same time? Provided they are in different timeslots of course.

Because the BBC already devotes a LOT of airtime and effort to Formula 1 as it is. They would not be able to justify to the BBC board taking up twice that amount of airtime covering both F1 series. When there are many other competing demands on BBC Sport.
19th June 2009, 10:23
Viktory

N-technology and Lola have apparently joined the breakaway series. Haven't got a link, heard it on Swedish coverage if FP1
19th June 2009, 10:26
Tazio

I nominate Jean Todt, and JYS as Co-Commisioners of the new series.
Niki Lauda can be Race Director, Safety Delegate, Permanent Starter and head of the Technical Department. (and anything else that Charlie Whiting does.)
19th June 2009, 10:26
Sonic

Well they've only gone and done it. Whether it turns out to be a negotiating gambit or not this is bad bad news for F1 (and motorsport in general).

My main concern is this could signal the death of top flight motorsport. Full stop. As many people on the forum have reminded me F1 is a business. Therefore the business of motorsport needs its customers - its fans to survive. The casual fans will have little or no clue what is going on and will most likely tune in to F1 in Melbourne 2010 as normal, perhaps to find no Ferrari etc. Do we really believe these drifting fans are going to bother finding GP1 on whatever channel it happens to be on (maybe PPV). Motorsport as a whole will then loose fans and boom both series fold.

Worse case? Maybe. But it could happen.
19th June 2009, 10:27
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Viktory

N-technology and Lola have apparently joined the breakaway series. Haven't got a link, heard it on Swedish coverage if FP1

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AUTOSPORT understands [N-technology] has decided to inform Formula 1's ruling body that it has withdrawn its application because the circumstances have changed since it applied and it no longer wants to be involved in a sport without the major manufacturers.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76298
19th June 2009, 10:30
F1boat

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Well they've only gone and done it. Whether it turns out to be a negotiating gambit or not this is bad bad news for F1 (and motorsport in general).

My main concern is this could signal the death of top flight motorsport. Full stop. As many people on the forum have reminded me F1 is a business. Therefore the business of motorsport needs its customers - its fans to survive. The casual fans will have little or no clue what is going on and will most likely tune in to F1 in Melbourne 2010 as normal, perhaps to find no Ferrari etc. Do we really believe these drifting fans are going to bother finding GP1 on whatever channel it happens to be on (maybe PPV). Motorsport as a whole will then loose fans and boom both series fold.

Worse case? Maybe. But it could happen.

Even the worse case is better than an artificially equalized to the Ferrari Campos team.
19th June 2009, 10:30
Bezza

Enjoy the rest of 2009, because it will be the last season before this breakaway which is no-win situation for everyone. The manufacturers are greedy, the FIA are greedy, and nobody has the guts to compromise and do what is right for the fans. A breakaway series harms everyone.

I'll enjoy the rest of 2009 and then move onto something different in 2010, I'm sad to say it but I'm not going to watch either series next year if there is a breakaway.
19th June 2009, 10:30
SteveMcQueen

Guys, it is not going to happen, wake up already. This is just part of the negotiation, that's all.

It is close to impossible to pull off a series with that sort of professionalism in mind in barely 10 months time, just forget it.
19th June 2009, 10:31
Bezza

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Originally Posted by Robinho

we are ignoring the possibility that this will all get cleared up over the weekend and we'll be having the one series with the familiar names next season. this could be enough to get max to stick to his word and not run for re-election, or maybe if he does someone will run against him and get rid of the old fool

Ideal scenario, but chances of this happening???! All concerned have too much pride to compromise, the ego's are too big they only care about themselves and therefore the damage is done.
19th June 2009, 10:31
Ghostwalker

where Viktory? Viasat Motor?
19th June 2009, 10:31
Mark

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen

Guys, it is not going to happen, wake up already. This is just part of the negotiation, that's all.

It is close to impossible to pull off a series with that sort of professionalism in mind in barely 10 months time, just forget it.

Lets hope you are right!
19th June 2009, 10:32
F1boat

Mark, I prefer split to what Max is proposing.
19th June 2009, 10:33
Ghostwalker

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Originally Posted by SteveMcQueen

Guys, it is not going to happen, wake up already. This is just part of the negotiation, that's all.

It is close to impossible to pull off a series with that sort of professionalism in mind in barely 10 months time, just forget it.

well we don't know if they have already started with the planning and if that is the case, for how long they have worked with the set up of a break away series.
19th June 2009, 10:34
Viktory

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

where Viktory? Viasat Motor?

Yeah, or to be more correct, my brother told me, and he'd just been watching it, so he must've heard it on there
19th June 2009, 10:37
ArrowsFA1

BBC pit-lane reporter Holly Samos:

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"Max Mosley has just walked in to the paddock and gone straight into Bernie Ecclestone's bus. I think he'll be a while."

Red Bull boss Christian Horner:

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"Bernie Ecclestone is in a tricky position. He doesn't like the rules but it’s effectively his business. He’s in a situation where his key assets are saying they can’t enter. If anybody can deliver a solution to all this, I think he’s about the only man who can. But it isn’t forthcoming at the moment."
19th June 2009, 10:40
555-04Q2

Wow! A lot of speculating here! I think we should wait for a an official response from Bernie and Max before jumping to conclusions.

Personally, I see a compromise on the horizon.
19th June 2009, 10:49
Robinho

Lola and N Tech both have withdrawn form the reserve list - that doesn't leave the FIA much to fill its grid with, a few teams with nothing more than intentions and 2 teams with cars but no engines
19th June 2009, 10:50
K-Pu

I´m still thinking if the split is a good idea... IRL-CART split didn´t bring anything good.

Yes, FIA is as rotten as a 1-month dead rat, and yes, we need a change. But NO! We don´t need two rival series who are sucking each other´s life. If the split happens, FOTA has the big names, but FIA has the F1. Who will the fans follow? If the split happens, I´d try to follow both, although F1 would be just a shadow of what it was.

Anyway, there´s a lot of people to blame: Max, Bernie and yes, the FOTA. Who thinks FOTA is 100% transparent?
19th June 2009, 10:50
cynisca

Oh my God, they did it.
The FIA is guilty about that. I want to see a racing series with the best teams and the best driver how they fight about the world title, and not which team has the lowest budget. OK, I also want that the Formula One get cheaper, especially for manufacturers because I want to see a lot of teams and drivers.

Anyway, they did it and we have got almost the same situation like in the USA, with their IndyCars. I will watch the races of both series though.

There’s still the MotoGP, NASCAR, IndyCar Series, and DTM.
19th June 2009, 10:51
AndyRAC

I hope Bernie has nothing to do with the FOTA teams - but I'm also worried about the possible involvement of DORNA - they've been taking MotoGP down the same road as F1/Bernie.
19th June 2009, 11:06
pino

Sky Italy have confirmed that they will stay with Ferrari and cover the "Breakaway Series".
19th June 2009, 11:08
Viktory

I wonder what will happen next year. Will FOTA have time to set up a new championship in that time, or will the 8 teams take a sabbatical? How much will Bernie/FIA sue Ferrari and Red Bull for?
19th June 2009, 11:17
Robinho

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Originally Posted by Max Moseley

We will issue a statement later today

we wait some more
19th June 2009, 11:17
Big Ben

I'm only affraid they'll find a compromise and Max will push through his insane plans in this manner year after year.
This problem has only one solution: Max and Bernie must go. Unfortunately one is too stupid and one too greedy for this to happen. Ther're just dispecable.
19th June 2009, 11:19
Lemmy-Boy

More posturing by FOTA. 8 months to set up a new series is a big challenge but still possible to pull off.
19th June 2009, 11:27
Mark

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Originally Posted by pino

Sky Italy have confirmed that they will stay with Ferrari and cover the "Breakaway Series".

Italian TV could not conceive of not covering the series with Ferrari in it!
19th June 2009, 11:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i meant back when Max and Bernie were the teams fighting against Balestre, that was messy and the sport recovered and flourished. i think those 2 clowns forget where they came from

Completely agree.
19th June 2009, 11:31
ioan

The cat eat Bernie's tongue too!

His attempts to being funny were so poor it was priceless. :D
19th June 2009, 11:32
Mark

But lets remember if the teams get to be in charge we'll likely have even more paralysis and disagreement than we do now!
19th June 2009, 11:46
ioan

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Originally Posted by Mark

But lets remember if the teams get to be in charge we'll likely have even more paralysis and disagreement than we do now!

Why not give them a chance to show us what they can do?
You're not suddenly on the Bernie pay list, I hope.
19th June 2009, 11:47
Mark

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're not suddenly on the Bernie pay list, I hope.

If only I was! :cool:
19th June 2009, 12:21
ioan

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Originally Posted by Mark

If only I was! :cool:

He's not known for paying big money. :D
19th June 2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Mark

But lets remember if the teams get to be in charge we'll likely have even more paralysis and disagreement than we do now!

Exactly.

There will inevitably be a 'bad guy' emerge, if Max is involved or not.
19th June 2009, 12:34
Mark

It's kind of like what happened in IndyCar. First there was the big revolt away from USAC control which let the series be controlled by the teams.

Then there was 'the split' which led to Tony George forming his own series and eventually the team led series collapsed.

I fear F1 is treading the same path.
19th June 2009, 12:37
veeten

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Originally Posted by K-Pu

Anyway, there´s a lot of people to blame: Max, Bernie and yes, the FOTA. Who thinks FOTA is 100% transparent?

apparently, ioan. ;)

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