Mosley 'knows' who set him up

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A votre avis...

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And he'll always back it up. ;)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would suggest that those people could do with brushing up on their current affairs knowledge, to be honest.

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Why should they? Not knowing who max Mosley is doesn't affect their life at all, which only proves my point about Max's personal life not being of any interest and not influencing what an overwhelming majority of the people think about F1, simply because they do not relate F1 to Max.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

And he'll always back it up. ;)

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Nothing to back up there, facts stand alone, without backing up being needed.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Why should they? Not knowing who max Mosley is doesn't affect their life at all, which only proves my point about Max's personal life not being of any interest and not influencing what an overwhelming majority of the people think about F1, simply because they do not relate F1 to Max.

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It wouldn't affect my life if I didn't know who, to pick a random example, Joe Lieberman was, but it's good to be well-informed generally about current affairs. Your view doesn't actually prove any point at all about it not being of any interest, except to you.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Nothing to back up there, facts stand alone, without backing up being needed.

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Ioan my opinion of this has been stated! I agree with you on this matter.
In the grand scheme of things motor racing has not suffered because of the invasion into this man’s life!
I am still a proud member of the "Sensible Seven"! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

So I asked a few people today and no one knew who was Max Mosley.
I guess I don't live within a representative group for motorsport enthusiasts. :)

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I have asked a few people and without fail all knew to some extent who he was.

Most surprising was a Secratery who wasn't sure about what he did but knew his father was a Nazi (not true but understandable). She wasn't aware of SpankGate though.

Of the others, most didn't know about Sir Oswald apart from 1 but all knew of the S and M story.

What was more worrying was the assumption that he runs F1 and not the FIA.

I stress that none of these people are Motorsport fans as such although I assume some might watch F1.

These are the results of an IT company in the UK. It seems that the results from academic people in your country is completely opposite.

I cannot comment on what people in other contries know but it seems that people in the UK as well as many international leading figures are aware of the facts.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I have asked a few people and without fail all knew to some extent who he was.

Most surprising was a Secratery who wasn't sure about what he did but knew his father was a Nazi (not true but understandable). She wasn't aware of SpankGate though.

Of the others, most didn't know about Sir Oswald apart from 1 but all knew of the S and M story.

What was more worrying was the assumption that he runs F1 and not the FIA.

I stress that none of these people are Motorsport fans as such although I assume some might watch F1.

These are the results of an IT company in the UK. It seems that the results from academic people in your country is completely opposite.

I cannot comment on what people in other contries know but it seems that people in the UK as well as many international leading figures are aware of the facts.

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Well there are obviously differences between GB and Europe, probably down to several things: Hamilton related F1 awareness and garbage press.

Also we are not living and working within same kind of groups I suppose.

In my world people doesn't know him or his private life and they don't seem to be interested about it either, as no one asked me more than: Who is he?.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Your view doesn't actually prove any point at all about it not being of any interest, except to you.

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Correction needed: to me and most people I know! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well there are obviously differences between GB and Europe, probably down to several things: Hamilton related F1 awareness and garbage press.

Also we are not living and working within same kind of groups I suppose.

In my world people doesn't know him or his private life and they don't seem to be interested about it either, as no one asked me more than: Who is he?.

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Fair enough.

As Dave and others pointed out, it was widely publicised over here including various references in popular satirical programs.

However, I accept at face value that other countries may not have had the same exposure.

Don't know what Lewis has to do with this nonsense though?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Don't know what Lewis has to do with this nonsense though?

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Enemy No.1 perhaps? Anyway, if Max's exploits were not publicised Europe wide, why has the old fella got several ongoing lawsuits against the press in several European countries?

The mind boggles, it really does.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Enemy No.1 perhaps? Anyway, if Max's exploits were not publicised Europe wide, why has the old fella got several ongoing lawsuits against the press in several European countries?

The mind boggles, it really does.

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But those are against people that aren't academic enough for ioan ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well there are obviously differences between GB and Europe, probably down to several things: Hamilton related F1 awareness and garbage press.

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Again, I fear your knowledge of the media across western Europe and the relative merits of one nation's printed press over another's is sadly lacking.

Just sent this by email around my office (Property Development is our trade);

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Without looking it up on Google etc, can you please answer the following for a personal project I am working on;

Please tell me what you know about Max Mosely:-

What he does, what he might be famous or infamous for, and what his parents were remembered for.

Thanks.

Stuart.

Let's see what comes back.......

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Just sent this by email around my office (Property Development is our trade);

All

Without looking it up on Google etc, can you please answer the following for a personal project I am working on;

Please tell me what you know about Max Mosely:-

What he does, what he might be famous or infamous for, and what his parents were remembered for.

Thanks.

Stuart.

Let's see what comes back.......

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First reply is

'You havin a laugh – or are you about to tell us a nazi joke?' (accounts dept - male)

then

'I don’t know who Max Mosely is!' (PA - Female)

then

'Is that the right spelling of the name?' (Accounts Dept - Male)

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'Why cant we look at google?' (PA to CFO - Female)

then

'Father: Oswald – leader British Union of Fascists

Was his mother a Mitford girl?



Head of Formula one

Won libel against News of World? re dominatrix club – re privacy.' (Company Secretary - Male)

More to follow....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Just sent this by email around my office (Property Development is our trade);

All

Without looking it up on Google etc, can you please answer the following for a personal project I am working on;

Please tell me what you know about Max Mosely:-

What he does, what he might be famous or infamous for, and what his parents were remembered for.

Thanks.

Stuart.

Let's see what comes back.......

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'Sorry don’t know anything about him' (PA - Female)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Just sent this by email around my office (Property Development is our trade);

All

Without looking it up on Google etc, can you please answer the following for a personal project I am working on;

Please tell me what you know about Max Mosely:-

What he does, what he might be famous or infamous for, and what his parents were remembered for.

Thanks.

Stuart.

Let's see what comes back.......

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'He’s something to do with Formula 1 isn’t he?' (Receptionist - Female)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Just sent this by email around my office (Property Development is our trade);

All

Without looking it up on Google etc, can you please answer the following for a personal project I am working on;

Please tell me what you know about Max Mosely:-

What he does, what he might be famous or infamous for, and what his parents were remembered for.

Thanks.

Stuart.

Let's see what comes back.......

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'Isn’t he the Nazi lover who likes to have group orgies in hotels while getting his prince Albert played with by london’s finest hookers! Oh and chairmen of some sport that involves fast cars chasing each other around a track???' (Surveyor - Male)

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'Son of St. Oswald, mates with Bernie Ecclestone, (formula 1) likes to pay prostitutes to go through German drama.' (Structured Finance (surprised this guy's not topped himself in this climate!!!) - male)

So in your admittedly limited snapshot it would appear that around two-thirds of people have knowledge of Max? Sounds about right. :)

(For the avoidance of doubt this applies to the UK only and shouldn't be taken as me extrapolating that the rest of the world thinks the same way - clear?)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Again, I fear your knowledge of the media across western Europe and the relative merits of one nation's printed press over another's is sadly lacking.

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I know enough of the European press given that I read it every day and its been some time I gave up on UK based one, while French and German are better and cover all I need.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

As Dave and others pointed out, it was widely publicised over here including various references in popular satirical programs.

However, I accept at face value that other countries may not have had the same exposure.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Don't know what Lewis has to do with this nonsense though?

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I think that with his arrival and excellent first 2 years in F1 people in GB are much more aware of F1. How many other sports there are, ATM, where you've got a world champion?!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fair enough.

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Chuffin' Nora ioan, you goin' soft in your old age? ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I know enough of the European press given that I read it every day and its been some time I gave up on UK based one, while French and German are better and cover all I need.

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So your serious, considered judgement is that Bild is better than The Sun, is it?

I think you will find that the high-quality elements of the German press all covered the Mosley story in pretty much exactly the same way as the high-quality elements of the British press. I know because I read both at the time out of interest at the German take on the story.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So your serious, considered judgement is that Bild is better than The Sun, is it?

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Sorry, I never read any of them.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think you will find that the high-quality elements of the German press all covered the Mosley story in pretty much exactly the same way as the high-quality elements of the British press. I know because I read both at the time out of interest at the German take on the story.

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Yeah they did but not for half a year, and they were only interested in the Nazi part which was dismissed later in court. And all of a sudden the Germans didn't want Max's head anymore.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah they did but not for half a year, and they were only interested in the Nazi part which was dismissed later in court. And all of a sudden the Germans didn't want Max's head anymore.

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Really? Because it took several months for the case to come to court, so of course it was an ongoing story, and legitimately so. If you can prove that no mainland European paper mentioned Max Mosley between the original story and the court case, then I will take my comments back, but this blatantly isn't going to happen. In any case, I can tell you that the British press wasn't full of Mosley stuff day after day, in spite of what you might erroneously think.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Really? Because it took several months for the case to come to court, so of course it was an ongoing story, and legitimately so. If you can prove that no mainland European paper mentioned Max Mosley between the original story and the court case, then I will take my comments back, but this blatantly isn't going to happen. In any case, I can tell you that the British press wasn't full of Mosley stuff day after day, in spite of what you might erroneously think.

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Do you think I have nothing better to do than trying to prove the impossible?!
Did I read all the mainland papers between day D and day F?!

Can prove me that the British press wasn't full of Mosley stuff day after day? Did you read every British paper every day?!

Let's get real.
People in France, Austria, Romania and Hungary doesn't care about who Mosley is and what Mosley did in his private life.
This is my point! And it will stand until one of you prove it isn't true, and only because it happens to be different in GB it isn't proof for nay other country in the world.
I don't have any more time to argue such obvious things.

From my POV this is case closed, as it's not converging or loooking to do so in the near future.

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Originally Posted by ioan

People in France, Austria, Romania and Hungary doesn't care about who Mosley is and what Mosley did in his private life.

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No, it isn't 'case closed', except to your satisfaction maybe. You seem to be suggesting that Britons were more obsessed with it than everybody else. This is, with the greatest of respect, complete nonsense and I suspect you know it. That said, in one sense this is far more of a British story than it is a French, Austrian, Romanian or Hungarian one, because after all Mosley is British, it happened in Britain and he comes from a decidedly infamous British family.

Oh, and you might be surprised at the number of papers I look at every day.

I'm going to settle this once and for all.
Max was set-up by the Anglo-Mafia! :mad: :rolleyes: :crazy: :laugh: :erm:

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Oh, and you might be surprised at the number of papers I look at every day.

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PS: If you just look at them than you might have time to see 86400 of them in 24 hours.
If you read them than the number will be considerably smaller, if you don't do it while sleeping than it will be only 2/3rds of the previous result, and if we also remove the time you spend posting here than I doubt you can read all the British rags every day.

Seriously, this discussion is starting to get boring even though it's also becoming funnier by the minute!

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

'Isn’t he the Nazi lover who likes to have group orgies in hotels while getting his prince Albert played with by london’s finest hookers! Oh and chairmen of some sport that involves fast cars chasing each other around a track???' (Surveyor - Male)

and

'Son of St. Oswald, mates with Bernie Ecclestone, (formula 1) likes to pay prostitutes to go through German drama.' (Structured Finance (surprised this guy's not topped himself in this climate!!!) - male)

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BINGO!!!

I think we have two winners, .....

I wonder if they are remembering because of the video and the news article, or because of his long and lenghty court shennigans and prouncements....as they say when the matter is doubt as to your stupidity and whether your privacy was violated, or heckfire, if that was even you in the video (which I have yet to watch any of), go ahead file suit and run your mouth off and prove it.

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And if anyone might forget because of passage of time, well drag it up again all by yourself to remind everyone so that they do not forget.... :rolleyes:


Ding Dong, is anybody home?? Hello????? :dozey:

Yea who set him up - Oh I know "Count Von Whip"

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I'm going to settle this once and for all.
Max was set-up by the Anglo-Mafia! :mad: :rolleyes: :crazy: :laugh: :erm:

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you mean Mclaren and bernie?

I always figured that somehow Bernie blamed maX for da Hamster not winning the WDC his first year, so as to "gas up revenues", hence the bernie double cross, with help of Brit sercret service spy operative devices and some secret McLaren carbon fibre tech stuff having to do with bras

All one has to go is look at the benire christmas card to see the subliminal message about how bernie really felt (and after all, he did do a lot of chatting about how maX needed to go, in comparsion to others----INDEED, Bernie would not be on the Sensible Seven list, but then I was with the SS till I started paying attention to MaX's sworn trial testimony...))

Actually, I think Nellie the Elephants' second cousins' pet cats' owner Raul set Max up.

But that's just speculation you understand....

Man this is sickening. So many people backing Max. This just makes me sad.

Listen, Max decision to engage in something that is clearly extremely controversial in this day and age isn't necessarily the problem. The fact that he got caught is.

We see it everywhere today. As the head of a very public organization you have to demonstrate the ability to make good decisions. Max clearly didn't because he put himself in the situation.

Recently the head of a very prominent bank has been called out for his $1.2M upgrades to his office. Rightfully so. He should be called to answer for making decision not inline with the current times. The fact that he spent $1.2M on his office really mean nothing. The fact that he did it in these trying financial times means everything. And he will be held accountable in some form.

Max is trying to hold other people accountable for his disgusting action (which isn't the sex). Because in this day and age re-enacting Nazi Gestapo officers is just down right disgusting and disrespectful to millions of people. He needs to be held accountable for his actions. Not the whistle blowers. If he hadn't been caught with his hand in the cookie jar it wouldn't be an issue. But he did, and he needs to be held accountable and removed from his position. After that I could care less about what he does.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Max is trying to hold other people accountable for his disgusting action (which isn't the sex). Because in this day and age re-enacting Nazi Gestapo officers is just down right disgusting and disrespectful to millions of people.

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You clearly didn't follow the story that closely, then, because he denied that he knew there was anything Nazi-related about the scene being enacted. The court seemed to believe him.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Tough to argue pictures ofhim in nazi dress.

Would love to see the courts statements as you describe.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

You clearly didn't follow the story that closely, then, because he denied that he knew there was anything Nazi-related about the scene being enacted. The court seemed to believe him.

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Most certainly he DID deny the connection, actually testifying if he had wanted that kind of entainment, it is very easy to order up some first class nazi stuff...

or so he said,

now some of the Sensible Seven (strange choice of names..) might wonder just how did he speak with such a voice of reasonand knowledge, well now...

Actually people should careful read his trial testimony, especailly the whole two lines about how it was upsetting to his family (well something like "upsetting") while he goes on and on and on about his hobby and the joy that inflicting pain on others brings to him....

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

A picture is worth a thousand words. Tough to argue pictures ofhim in nazi dress.

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Are there such photos?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Are there such photos?

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Well it's easy to see with this lot why people can claim the holocaust never happened (clearly a more documented incident than Mosley's perversions).

Yes there were such photo's but since the courts ruled it to be a violation of privacy good luck finding them anymore. NotW paid a handsome sum for privacy violation. It's a violation of free speech, but many European entities have never been known to protect free speech.

Where there's smoke, there's a high probability of being fire.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Well it's easy to see with this lot why people can claim the holocaust never happened (clearly a more documented incident than Mosley's perversions).

Yes there were such photo's but since the courts ruled it to be a violation of privacy good luck finding them anymore. NotW paid a handsome sum for privacy violation. It's a violation of free speech, but many European entities have never been known to protect free speech.

Where there's smoke, there's a high probability of being fire.

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I was not under the impression that Mosley ever dressed up in a Nazi uniform as part of the 'role-play'. The women were said to have, of course. And I find your comparison of my querying your comments with holocaust denial really quite offensive, and utterly unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I was not under the impression that Mosley ever dressed up in a Nazi uniform as part of the 'role-play'. The women were said to have, of course. And I find your comparison of my querying your comments with holocaust denial really quite offensive, and utterly unnecessary.

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I'm merely referencing the fact that it was a Nazi-themed Orgy.

I don't recall any news coming out about Mosley's in-descressions not referencing a "Nazi" themed Orgy. Yet here you are questioning if it ever happened. I'm sorry you take offense to it, but it is true that some would like us to believe the holocaust never happened. My point being that there are people that would like to deny well documented travesties. I think that's your issue not mine.

P.s. I'm not attacking "germans" (if that's what the flag under your name indicates). I'm german myself.