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I have PM'd you but why should you erase my posts which as far as I can see breaks no forum rules and leave others up that do?Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
Then you let others drag topics off course and pick me up when I'm trying to justify my opinion as to the thread :confused:
I think you have a problem with me and if so, I suggest you stick it where the sun doesn't shine... only if you do of course. :p
Not sure if this was mentioned but Glock drove the last lap like a lapped backmarker, not a driver fighting for points position a la Schumi/Hungary/2006
All due respect, Schumacher wasn't 20+ s a lap off pace in Hungary 2006. And Schumacher was dirty and unsporting in his defending in Hungary 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ce-fix-shock-/
Hmm, shame they called you 'somebody' and not named you, that's just rude!
Surely British tabloid journalism at it's worst?
ok lets entertain the idea for a moment.
IF Mclaren paid off Toyota, who is paying who?
are we talking Ron Dennis/Martin Whitmarsh/Norbert Haug agreeing to part with team money, the organisation, or individuals fortunes?
if it was a transfer of technology, that we a) don't know that Mclaren have got any good at, and b) don't know that toyota are struggling with are we seriously expected to think that maybe in the last 3 laps of an incredibley important and tense race they found time to contact Toyota, or Glock's management, secretly, offer some "deal" cash or otherwise, in return for giving up a hard won place, get that deal agreed (given that it would have to be secret there can be no paper trail, so no contract, and no way of holding Mclaren to it, as you can hardly come out and say, "we let you win the champ and didn't get our £x millions or Kers technonlgy, so we're suing you!".)
on top of this, contact the driver, over the FIA monitored radio and deliver a secret message that Glock would understand to slow down, but that the FIA haven't noticed or investigated, and no other teams, team members or any contempary connected with F1 has actually suggested or complained about.
all at the same time, managing to coreograph the move to coincide with Trulli also losing exactly the same amount of time on the last lap, and still gain points as a result of the original tactical decision?
wouldn't it have been easier to contact toyota earlier and ask them to follow any tyre strategy that Mclaren do in the case of rain to make sure they stay in front - which would of course go completley unnoticed?
where is the Ferrari outcry, Flavio's outrageous accusations, Alonsos dark mutterings, FIA's investigations - sorry, no smoke, absolutley no fire, probably COS IT WAS RAINING SO HARD AT THE END OF THE RACE!
I can't believe that (apart from Daily Star readers) anyone would take any of this seriously!
Oi, stop trolling :p : :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Only the last lap where Glock lost it. Makes no difference, IMO, it's the last lap for godsake!Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Kimi did everthing right to fend off Lewis at Spa.
And the only thing Schumi did wrong in Hungary 2006 was not giving up his position when he overshot the chicane. Tactically poor as he should've changed to slicks, everything else was near perfect from a racer's POV.
There are no Daily Star readers: they just look at the pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McC
Careful. A particular Mod will come down on you for such personal insults and question whether you are a decent human being ;) :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
And with the sort of pictures you get in the Star who can blame them? :cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Fame at last! At least someone reads the forums :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McC
Props to the man at the top !Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
You know , this is quite amazing , to have the site named , but , also a little scary at the same time .
Will we see more conspiracy theorists flock to the site here ?
It think it may have been a conspiracy , put forth by the Daily Star , to discredit the forum and flood it with theorists , for it's constant ridicule of the finest British press . That MI5 agent , his hooker wife , and Martin Brundle are all likely involved .
Timo did not act alone . Look to the grassy knoll .
Does anybody else get a ton and a half of script errors on the Daily Star page? :s
Ahh, more sour grapes. It's very unfortunate for all you anti-Hamilton fools that you have picked him to hate. You couldn't have picked a worse prospect for suppression. It's a repeat of the Senna/Schumacher resentment, but now with extra bile.
And for all the half-wits outside this forum that can't see past the race issue - which I'm sure plays a significant part in all this resentment - Lewis is as much white as he is black, so I don't see how there could be a problem with him anyway.
The daily scrag didn't actually show any racial abuse at all. Once the helmet goes on Lewis could be of any racial background and I think it'll be a very very small amount of people who make issue with it. Why are people anti-hamilton fools just for not supporting him? :confused:
I didn't say that. Read again. I was addressing those who hate him. I didn't say 'all you non-Hamilton-supporting fools' did I?
Also I made no reference to the Daily Star as perpetrating the race issue. Read again. I was addressing everywhere but this forum, to encompass ALL accounts of race-related bile that are out there.
Fair enough but what were you referring to and why post in this thread if it wasn't directed at someone on this thread? I have yet to see someone who hates Lewis on this forum. I don't like him but I don't hate him......
I was referring to the numerous accounts of racist abuse that have been directed at Lewis throughout the racing season.
I was posting about the anti-Hamilton situation because it is an entirely relevant point, related to the thread's subject. The fact that I addressed issues outside this forum and separated certain issues from this forum is entirely in keeping with the intended purpose for internet forums.
The hate situation is subjective. I'm sure you don't live in a world where everything is literal. I certainly don't. There is certainly a far greater level of resentment for Lewis than could reasonably be explained by the fact that people are jealous of his ability.
A driver being disliked is nothing new just look at MS one of the most hated drivers ever by some and that was nothing to with race. Nor is some Spanish fans hurling abuse. They don't hate him because he is black but because he is opposition to thier favourite driver.
Obviously the best way to punish the Spanish authorities for the repeated racist incidents involving Spanish fans that have blighted F1 over the past year or so would be to strip Spain of both of thier GPs! Lets face it, from a racing perspective it would be no great loss, both Barcelona and Valencia being pretty poor for actual racing, both races were precessions this season. Then the Spanish fans would time to reflect on how they are responsible for them not being able to follow thier hero on the track in thier own country.
That would be a massive over-reaction to a tiny minority of bigots. The Spanish authorities and the circuit management acted quickly on the incident in testing, and we've not seen a repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
To paint the whole of Spain as racists due to the actions of maybe half a dozen "fans" is simply not fair.
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Originally Posted by Mark
Yes I agree. The Schumacher (and Senna) comparisons are down to an entirely different aspect of Lewis Hamilton.
Unfortunately the incident in Spain is just a tiny part of it, but let's not dwell on that. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up that particular subject, but it's very difficult to ignore.
Regarding Spain as a whole, and what should be done about things that happened there, let's look to the most prominent Spaniard in all of this, Fernando Alonso.
He went as far as to say that he didn't want Lewis Hamilton to win the world championship, which sounded like a case of sour grapes at the time, but in the post-race interviews at Interlagos he congratulated Lewis on his victory, which was a nice gesture and very much to Alonso's credit.
There's a bit of envy amongst drivers, but none of the overt hate that prevails in the outside world.
Actually I happen to know that Glock got hit by an unusually powerful cosmic ray in that last corner! :eek:
I'd be happy to give an exclusive interview to the Daily Fish-Wrap!
You don't have to resort to creating news for your own paper! :)
I will insist on a sizable cash retainer of course! ;)
Why is this thread still going? No one in F1 has questioned Glock over the last few laps, yet a load of muppets on a forum drag out 7 pages making up absolute rubbish!
Tazio: Will you take your retainer in Zimbawean currency? :D
SIZE MATTERS!!!!!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Because we read it in the Star, so it must be true :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Let's see. 1,000,000. Zimdawean = about 50 cent Cdn. or 41.23 US. Oops 45 no 41 cents Cdn. Oh gosh now 39 cents.
Hopefully everyone's gone quiet on the issue after Robinho hit the nail on the head in post #112 with a well-timed blast of common sense :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Oh, and from the archives of two-wheeled action, another example of changing weather conditions and contrasting tyre choices creating a *bit* of drama, from MotoGP at Donington in 2000:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PMd_KYErxFk
Fun Police! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by patnicholls
Strange!! nobody has blamed Max so far!
No, it was the Demented Midget controlling the weather not Mad Max.
How d'y'think *I* feel, being equated with that "bleebing bleeb"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McC
Oh yes - but that's no surprise. It *is* the Daily Star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McC
Because it goes without saying it is his fault...Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
""I want to meet Hamilton and his father to tell them they deserved the title," Massa told Italian newspaper Gazetta dello Sport.
"I re-watched the race on TV: for Lewis that last lap was a drama, he was locking the wheels everywhere as he was trying to recover," added Massa, who also dismissed out of hand wild conspiracies that the Toyota driver may have moved over to help Hamilton.
"Glock didn't let himself be overtaken on purpose," said Massa."
I guess this is what we all want to hear, and this just about stops this stupid thread in its tracks.
When you really think about it, Hamilton, as a rookie last year, nearly won the WDC and but for some stupid decisions by his team, would have. Then, in his second year, he won the championship, being the youngest driver ever to do so.
Can't we, as a forum, just congratulate him on that and leave the stupidity out of the equation.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72022Quote:
McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said at the team's Woking factory this week: "Felipe Massa drove brilliantly to win the Brazilian Grand Prix.
"I'd like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to the quality of his driving throughout the season and the impressively sportsmanlike way he handled the disappointment of finding out at the last minute that he hadn't won the drivers' world championship."
Perhaps the final word on all the other nonsense should go to Timo:
"People who think I would decide the championship or I would let Lewis past, they have not a real idea about racing."
Hopefully this can be put to bed now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Because people are open to the fact that a conspiracy occured means people don't know anything about racing??? Ooook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on