I think it was pretty good a reply was sent! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
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I think it was pretty good a reply was sent! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Well, I appreciate the fact he replied. No question about it ;) But as it was general reply on all emails, it doesn't answer any particular questions and therefore some more disscussion about it is unnercessary.
Malcolm 1 - Mirek Fric 0Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
It reminds me the replies I was getting from Eurosport during 1998-2001 when I was (trying to) follow their schedule fro the WRC and live coverages. I will never forget the live coverage of the SS in Finland 1999 (the one where Auriol retired from the actual enent from a non scoring position in order to prepare his Corolla and take the 3 points from this SS) where instead of the SS they showed Motogp...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Maybe not, but what if Ford decides not to homologate S2000 car? Which car would they call M-Sport-BP-Stobart-Abbi-Dabbi then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lousada
I just wanted to stop questions on Wilson's reply. Not to judge it anyhow...
Yes and whats the point to post only the reply, without the stuff what he replyes to.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Well the forum doesn't allow personal insults Tomi :p
Lol thats true, but normally when people publish replys, they publish the questions too, its called journalist ethic. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Journalists? Ethics? Ha!
I was tempted to write an email but I knew there would be a standard reply so didn't bother. Plus i really don't care about the WRC now.......
Ah, well, it's your loss - the WRC is such a happening and exciting sport you will be missing out.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
....he he!!
Yeah. With up and comers like Conrad who builds his campaign on money built up from the oppression of his fellow countrymen, Al Qassimi who is useless, Matt who is wasting daddy's money and the ice cream team who are similarly craptastic :) I can't wait to see what the future brings! Wouldn't it be great to see the WRC going back to it's roots of not having coverage and being the preserve of rich people only and there being no professionalism? That'd be fantastic. :cheese: It would make for a good crash kings video though........
don't be so pesimistic......at the end of the day no official team currently emplys any useless dying dogs, and in the future it will be the same the real drivers will be in official teams and the garbage paying for a car. Of course with Mr Wilsons new age of tactics we might see one or two turists in official cars.
Wilson should maybe approach Brembo to see if they want to be title sponsor in 2009.
This thread seems to be occupied by some people who want to state their opinions over and over again, because they think they're so important and they won't rest till every one agrees.
But shortly my two cents. Ford/Wilson is absolutely right to have done what he has done. It is part of rallying and has always been, so I really don't see what the fuzz is about now.
Lancia did it all the time. Enlisting 6 or 7 privateers in San Remo with the Lancia 037 to create a gap between their front runners and the Audis on asphalt. Lancia melting ice in Monte Carlo, or switching tyres mid stage to gain an advantage. Putting down a helicopter to enforce teamorders.
Colin having to let Sainz in front at Subaru. KKK having to do the same for Miki. All great dramatic scenes.
Years from now this will be remembered as Ford trying everything to beat the frenchman Loeb. Nothing wrong with that. And certainly not the downfall of WRC. There are other reasons for that.
:up: :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
Best post so far in this Thread, thank you !! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
I understand Your stance. But since I also sent mr. Wilson something and got the same reply as MikeD, which didn't answer any particular question, I don't connect the mail anyhow to what MikeD wrote or didn't write. Only Your question seemed to be unnercessary to me. No offence on You. I rather shouldn't have react at all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Right on!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
People here are frustrated of how things going on in the Wrc, but somethings you can't chance it.
I compare it with Schumacher's winning F1 period a few years back.
My biggist complain of the WRC are the 12 rounds compare to this year's 16 and the running-order on day2 &3.
Tactics you have and will always be a part of the game, no news here...
For the rest, the quality of the top drivers is good, but the quantity of the quality sucks...
I'll second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Frustrated yes, mainly because of the lack of leadership by thr F1A, who last week decided F1 must be saved, whilst delaying the WRC Promoter decision!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
Nothing wrong with 12 rounds - works out averaging 1 a month - just make each event special rather than 'just another Rally'.
Agree about the quality, but I'm sure there are 'quality' drivers out there, but they have no £$£$£$ :(
which part of the " WILSON USED TEAM ORDERS AFFECTING NOT ONLY HIS TEAM BUT AN INDEPENDENT ONE AS WELL" don't you understand ????
the fuss is not about team orders in general !!!!!!!!!
Again and again, again, again and again the same! :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Nothing was hapend at all! :p :
First it was the Tactics wich made Ford evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Then did Citroen the same and it was ok, they did only because Ford did it first :rolleyes:
Then was it the Teamorders wich made Ford evil.
A thing used by a lot a lot of Teams a lot of times over the Years.....
And now they are evil because another Team decided to Help them....
It is like it is, and those few People from this Forum can change absolut nothing !!!!
Even not if they evryday wrote the same things 10 or 20 times a Day....
Haven't you just made a perfect case against Ford though? They've 'been up to it' all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Everyone knows why they did it, but I still find it quite sad and I don't like the team bosses attitude either.
At the end of the year, if Mikko does win the championship, will his fans or even Mikko himself believe he really deserved it? Now I'm waiting for the "driver with most points is champion" response, but really....
Calm down MAN!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
a question for you....Who is the independent team you are talking about?
Any team which is allowed to take points is independent enough not to be puppet to any other one. Otherwise it is no longer sport. If Mikko has some problem in Japan and there is 6 other Focuses infront of him, so what? We'll have realy pretty race with strongly deserved possitions and points in top eight?
The fact something is not forbidden doesn't mean it is good and everyone is obliged to agree and to keep quiet about it. If You want to watch WRC where there is one driver on top and puppet games on another places behind him, watch it. But that's way to hell unfortunately because soon noone have any interest in WRC.
In the years when there were much stronger competition than today it wasn't that critical. But in these days there is practicaly noone else than one king and Malcolm's puppets. And if they play chess instead of rallying, it becomes incredibly boring and uninteresting. Do You realy thing that's what WRC and rallying itself needs to get out of its crisis?
What about the reason for deploying these kind of tactics?
Tyres.
How many times Mikko had flat tyre this season? 4-5?
I can only remember 1 for Seb.
Stupid rules = bye bye Ford :)
Ooooh this discussion is about watching the WRC, in that case I'm out. Haven't watched WRC for ages now :p (it's actually not a joke :( ).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
But I think the crazy airing times (if any), the lack of spectacle, the lack of endurance, the lack of competitive manufacturers/drivers, rallies that are alike, and all the other things lacking that makes a real rally, might have a bit more to do with that.
Solve the above things and the "problem" with teamorders will largely take care of itself.
Ever heard of a VCR?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
Nenuknakinen I agree sorting other things would sort this problem out but this just makes the WRC look worse to potential manufacturers and means it will just get worse. Don't bother with the VCR it's not worth watching.
If you are not intrested on WRC, and have to tell only negative matter, why are you then here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As rally fans, we have nothing to do with how they (F.I.A.) solve their problems. You make this thread a joke with repeating negative post and keep people away from the forum. Therefore actual you do here the same with the forum what the F.I.A. does with WRC. :rolleyes:
Aren't you the guy who comes on all the Dakar threads and complains about it even though you don't like it? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
The WRC is in trouble. You can either sit in your chair watching the rallies and not see it coming and be surprised OR you can realise that there are problems which need to be dealt with for the series to continue in a sustainable manner. If being realistic makes people go then I'm sorry. Life isn't all fun and games. Life can be **** sometimes and living in denial doesn't make it worse. If people can't handle people pointing out flaws in the WRC then perhaps they should see if www.wrcsycophants.com is available and set up their own forum where any negativity towards the WRC is banned. Meanwhile I shall continue to live in the real world....
These inter-team orders aren't the biggest problem for the WRC but in the last week they have been a problem for a lot of people and it's worsened an already bad situation.
With respect, I think this is rubbish. Do you ever voice negative opinions on anything you are interested in but don't have a direct say in? I can't believe that you don't - or anyone else, for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
Being an enthusiast of something doesn't mean you always have to be blindly positive about it.
My two penceworth, the WRC has fantastic potential - far more than any other Motorsport - for the simple fact of the places it visits/or could visit.
However, it has got major problems, which simply can’t be glossed over. The sooner everybody concerned with the sport accepts this, the better – I still don’t think people realise just how bad it is. The F1A delaying the Promoter role was unbelievable, especially when Max then said he wanted to save F1.
VCR won't do much good when you don't know at what time to set it. Times are nearly always wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
And it's like Daniel said, it really isn't worth watching (This is my own personal opinion). And this is not only to do with the championship itself, also the quality of coverage is rubbish.
Normally are I the one being not enthusiast and negativeabout a lot of things! :s mokin: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Regular tape can cover three hours, extra long tape four hours, half-speed tapes twice that and DVD recorder with a hard drive at least eight hours. Since I first got to be the victim of deferred show I've never trusted published times, I record full eight hours hoping to catch the show somewhere in the middle of it. WRC video archive isn't something I take chances with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
Now this is entirely different question altogether. Thanks to great people I've had a chance to sample Dave's WRC coverage hosted by Neil Cole and I do have to say that it's ten times better than the traditionally good Finnish TV coverage (which, admittedly, has lately moved to commercial channel from very good public service YLE channel).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
What comes to the championship... well...
I got to agree. :( What's the point of watching something when you already know what going to happen? I haven't followed a single rally after Finland this year from TV which wasn't the case few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenukknak
And there's not as many people watching the rallies in this forum either. Few really enthusiastic followers and one broken record complaining about sick dogs and scared little boys.
I'm leading the pickems now. I think I've used about the same order for every rally. You really don't need to know too much to get the order right. Which is sad.
This pretty much sums it up, unfortunately. If the only thing wrong with WRC was lack of depth...Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye