So don't criticize any non-white person for anything they have done, no matter how stupid or you're being racist??? So if we called Idi Amin a cruel, murderous, dictator, we're being racist, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
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So don't criticize any non-white person for anything they have done, no matter how stupid or you're being racist??? So if we called Idi Amin a cruel, murderous, dictator, we're being racist, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
if they had of left McLaren where they should have been at the end of pit lane
? why the f**& do they keep moving them.
the whole McLaren crew donkey
I'm sure Hamilton was very disappointed that the accident happened - because it destroyed his race.. ;)
Agree, once you go back, you never go back ;)Quote:
Why continue to be angry at Hamilton when it doesn't help anything and doesn't change what happened
LOL!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Pathetic post. You accused us of being racists at first, now we are also all jealous of him. What`s next?
It is hard to engage in a dialogue with someone if that person first makes unsubstantiated attacks on you, without any proof whatsoever.
To try to make this more understandable for you, let`s say you hate Jean Todt, which I think you do actually. Now what if I was to explain your hatred for him, amongst other things, for having a huge hatred for jewish people and also with the fact that you are jealous/envious of his success. What would you think of that?
Yeah, next time someone attacks Bernie, I will also say "part of the reason why you hate Bernie, is because he is jewish." And as we have seen with you, no proof needed!
Point out the racism in those attacks or do they turn racist when made towards a non-white person, but are perfectly non-racist when used to describe a white person?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
He is yet to properly apologize.Quote:
and those who can't even accept the fact that he apologised to Kimi.
:rotflmao: Yeah, no other driver has been referred to with really offensive nicknames for sure.Quote:
As I said before, my argument was not about the penality or LH obvious mistake, but more to do with the nature of the comments about himon thisd thread. many of which, along with idiotic nicknames, don't seem to materialize with any other driver.
Also, kindly point out the nicknames he has been referred to that you so much take an offence in.
Because quite frankly, no other driver is as arrogant, hyped, manufactured and unlikeable as he is.Quote:
but do find the vitriol hurled towards LH somewhat excessive in comparison to other drivers.
why is that?
It is really shocking how I (and no doubt countless others too) have gone from liking him so much at the beginning of last year, to disliking him so much now.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
truefan72`s logic seems to say so anyway.
Actually, I expect him to post evidence of this racism accusations, and if he can`t, then a public apology should be in order.
I have to agree with Garry Walker!
I did also like him back at the start of 2007, but gradually he has become immersed in his own ego - not helped by the media, who think he can do no wrong and label every mistake he makes as "His first mistake". I can think of at least five big mistakes he has made, yet they are all referred to as his first one!
He simply believes his own hype, and therefore won't accept responsibility for mistakes, preferring to blame "the rules".
The guy previously was confident. Now he's just arrogant. There is a big difference.
completely agree! Thing is no one likes a cocky git. Boasting of his way compared to others into the chicane at Canada after the straight just said it all. Just do it, do try and show your competitors as 2nd class racers. Idiot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Not really. It all depends how it's presented and at the moment much of the comment about Hamilton is deliberately negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
I agree with Garry Walker too!! It is shocking just how quickly people have turned on Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
only a few but most of us who are not his fans, there was no question of turning quickly or anything like that....
Also the media comments being negative about him? Maybe in the Finnish & Spanish press but you must be joking if you think what BBC etc are writing about him is negative (ever!) ...but I still stick to reading BBC Sport (its the same with English football) :)
I didn't mean the media :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Storm
A few months to a year, is that quick to you?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
In fact, a person can turn me off in a matter of seconds with arrogance like the one Lewy is showing.
Agree wholeheartedly. Hamilton should look at Sebastien Loeb and see how humble a multiple champion can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVquN...eature=related
Now that's how you should act when you're a superstar and something crap happens.
Not really..... considering how he comes across I'd say he's got more fans than I thought he would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
What does Nico say ?
“I think I deserve the penalty, the same as Hamilton. He didn't stop, and neither did I, so we deserve the same fate. I saw the red lights too late, so it is natural that there is a penalty. I made a mistake,”
“Of course, if Hamilton had slowed, I would have been able to better understand what was going on. But he kept going, and then suddenly ... "
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I guess it could also depend on whether your carbon brakes are warm enough to actually brake properly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
it is pointless trying to discuss anything of substance about this matter, as some folks around here will only read what they want to or see what they want to.The issue is too complex or intricate for some here to graps or willing to look beyond their own dislikes so no matter what one says, it will always be percieved in the lens of that perception.
To those unable or unwilling to face certain realities in today's world or those who cannot detach their dislike of Hamilton from criticism of his performance then so be it. It may be asking too much from some of you here to leave out the added gusto of insults, bad nicknames, and downright silliniess when discussing LH. When the discussion deteriotes to the fact that his apology wasn't humble enough for some, or goes of into pointless insults, thats were I take issue.
not about the incident, or about the penalty
So its probably best to move on and discuss France and the upcoming race.
cheers
I couldn't agree more, and suggest that some people take a really serious look at your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
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I'm with you on this — not least with the exact make of lock the mods should use. Excellent choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I don't know how he's doing in the popularity department, but I have to agree with the rest of that statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Walker487557
A very sane post :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
i think lewis should keep his mouth shout or face a fine
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But Hamilton insists the decision is an unfair one, saying his manoeuvre was an accident. He said: “I start 10 places back in the next race. It’s harsh, I didn’t aim to ruin anyone’s race.”
The red light in the pitlane was on as part of F1’s safety car rules. It is used when the safety car and following field are passing or are about to pass the pitlane, to avoid accidents. But Hamilton said: “The rule is silly. We are in the race, how can you red light at the end of the pit-lane? But that’s the rule and I accept it.”
don't the have rules about bringing the sport into disrepute
:confused:
I've made a couple of changes to your post, hope you don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Hamilton fans are now experiencing some of what Schumacher fans went through for years. We had to put up with all sorts of rubbish that meant that we often defended him when we probably shouldn't have merely as a reflex for all the meanigless criticism he got for every little thing he did.
In part this is just the nature of sports and sports fans. It's easy to defend those you like and even easier to criticise those you don't. The hard bit is being completely objective all of the time. I don't think there's a person on the planet who's capable of that.
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I think my Toyota Corolla brakes would work at 80kph (assuming I was paying attention to the lights) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Thanks, Nico for admitting you're human! Not many drivers would admit they made a mistake nowdays. (Of course it probably means you're too nice a guy to ever win the WDC - I hope I'm wrong.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I hope you're wrong about Nico and the WDC too :) and it's good to see he's accepted the penalty imposed as well. Neither he nor Hamilton had any other option seeing as they were at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
However, he's apparently said to http://www.motorline.cc that: "In my whole career I have never watched the lights at the pit exit" which (if the translation I've seen is accurate) is a rather strange thing to admit.
I thought a lot of the anti-Schumacher stuff on here was equally intolerable, but this doesn't justify some or most of the comments being made on here about Hamilton. This would be the case if Schumacher had followed Hamilton into F1, rather than vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
For the less partisan enthusiasts amongst us, the atmosphere continues to be made very unpleasant.
He may never have had to before, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Has anyone else seem various different news sources arguing that is Raikkonen didn't get a penalty for running into the back of Sutil, then Hamilton shouldn't either. How exactly are they the same?! One is a racing incident on track between two driver fighting over position (admittedly from a long way back in Raikkonens case!) and the other is in the pit lane caused by drivers ignoring a red light that is there for safety reasons.
So, James Allen, how Senna-esque was Hamilton in Montreal...? :laugh:
McLaren's top men will never ceasse to surprise us with their arrogance :
Link: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68203Quote:
Haug said: "These things happen. I never was a friend of safety cars - it's a Mercedes but it doesn't bring us luck!
"As for the mistake, we win as a team and lose as a team. We could see Lewis had the speed, he was absolutely under control until the safety car took our advantage away.
"Anyway, two cars were stationary at the end of the pitlane, Lewis hit one, so it was our mistake at the end of the day. But I definitely will not blame him because he was so good, so special here, on this tricky circuit. He was in a class of his own in the first 20 laps.
"Everyone saw we had the speed to win it, but didn't do it. The good thing is the leader is only a few points ahead, so it's quite close together."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis said there was little point wasting time analysing what he feels was a simple accident.
"Nico ran into the back of Lewis, which showed what happened – it was a chain reaction as they were accelerating out of the pitlane," he explained. "Obviously the guys in front started to stop, Lewis was watching the back of the cars, driving off their actions, you know, we don't have brake lights.
"At the end of the day, he put himself out of the grand prix, as simple as that, and one that he was comfortably leading. We wanted to go longer, so our stop was long, and we wanted to cover off the outcome of what unfolded [with the safety car], those with long strategies took advantage, and that's where the race was turned around so dramatically by that safety car deployment."
Arrogant team bosses, arrogant driver, arrogant cheats! :rolleyes:
What exactly is the problem with those specific comments ioan? What do you object to?
Lets see:
"we had the speed to win it"
or
""Obviously the guys in front started to stop, Lewis was watching the back of the cars, driving off their actions, you know, we don't have brake lights."
or
"he was comfortably leading"
Arrogance, arrogance and arrogance again! I'm yet to see a race where McLaren cock up but don't claim they could have won it! :rolleyes:
this is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
this is a an excuse. I don't see where is the arroganceQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
he was... before the scQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
way off, off and off again. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
No it isn't. Others were posting faster laps than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
So was he in the warm up lap too. He was losing out to his closest rivals before the SC and he wasn't first anymore after his pit stop. How is that "comfortably"?!Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
ioan, I'm sorry, but I really think it's time to turn the record off.
Clearly you find most (all?) of what McLaren say offensive because it's McLaren, but the quotes you've highlighted are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Another fact is, as Ron Dennis said, "At the end of the day, he put himself out of the grand prix, as simple as that".
Oh, Hamilton was very Sennaesque and also Schumacheresque by taking his chief title rival out. ;) Let's look at the bright side - Lewis is matching the legends in every area! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by turves