Alonso hints at get-out clause WHY ?

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Well RD sure panicked like a coack roach when the light is turned on

but the FIA investigation sparked by LH's mouth that was announced, demonstrates that fact beyond contestation :D

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Why do I feel like Paxman interviewing Howard?

Answer the question, facts with cast iron proof or hearsay?

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Did you actually read what I wrote?

How Alonso's teammates reacted to him is irrelevant. His reaction to times when he was beaten by his teammates is.

By all accounts when Alonso was beaten by Fisi he went berserk. You did not want to be in the Renault garage at Indy 2006 when Fisi simply outpaced him all weekend. It didn't matter whether Fisi was subservient or Renault preferred Alonso to win.

The same happened at McLaren when Hamilton beat him more often than Fisi beat him at Renault.

McLaren didn't tolerate tantrums whether it be from Alonso or Hamilton. Renault did within certain boundaries.

Oh and whilst I'm sure Hamilton had his fits, can you actually come up with anything substantive that suggests that he threatened to blackmail McLaren like Alonso did?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Or, it could just be that, having been informed of the fact by FA, Ron did the decent thing.

Until someone can actually prove otherwise, I am prepared to give RD the benefit on his personal knowledge and involvment.....

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:dozey: Hhmmmm... I think Ron went to the FIA....

simply to eliminate any possible threat of being...

Black Mailed by Alonso !!!

That said... Alonso's actions...both with Renault at the end of 2006 & with McLaren in 2007 are simply unconscionable.

Renault's fall from grace this past year has left them desperate to regain their competitiveness... even to accepting a...

" Judas " ... as their number 1 driver.

The one year contract by Renault... may be intended to be used as a club...

attempting to exercise some control over a "loose cannon" who will be constantly in front of the press.

:s mokin: Trumper :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by samuratt

Do you hace any proof that FA threatened to blackmail McLaren????
Oh yes, an statement from Ron Dennis. And do you think everything you read??? even more do you believe in all that Ron Dennis says??? cause if i have learned something this year is that this guy is big liar, nothing more and nothing less. So i would not believe anything this guy has said over the seasson. Period.

All in all Ferrari were very happy with Fernando after the Brazilian GP :)

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Alonso's manager for a start. Also both Bernie and Max have accepted Ron's account of that meeting at Hungary. Odd that people accept Max's verdict when convenient but not at others.

Ferrari may be happy with Alonso but they won't have him. 2007 with Alonso clearly looking for a way out from McLaren and Massa only on a one season contract would have been the ideal opportunity for Ferrari to sign him if they were interested. They responded to Alonso looking for another seat by extending Massa's contract.


Markabilly, try and return from fantasyland with arguments that can be based on evidence, not on a Hollywood script. Either way your argument is irrelevant regarding Alonso's return to Renault unless you're also trying to argue that Hamilton is following him there for 2008.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Is that a known fact, or just an assumption that Ron knew everything?

Again, is that fact or fiction that can be backed up?

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Fact that RD panicked is based on his own words; fact that FA was mad at being decked five grid places late the night before that meeting the next morning because of an incident that started when Hamster arrogantly refused to follow team instructions to give the advantage to FA the same as LH had recived the advanatage in prior races, based again on RD own testimony

AND GIVEN that HAMSTER's (his own teamate) complaints and behavior just cost his team mate FA the pole and pushed him back five grid places, with him inheriting pole, who would not be steamed completely through and through--if it had been me (or Senna or a number of other drivers), I would have ripped Hamster into little bitty pieces


Fact that Hamster was making various quotes to the news about how he deliberately chose to disobey...

Fact about Hamster's complaints about Monaco

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Or, it could just be that, having been informed of the fact by FA, Ron did the decent thing.

Until someone can actually prove otherwise, I am prepared to give RD the benefit on his personal knowledge and involvment.....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Why do I feel like Paxman interviewing Howard?

Answer the question, facts with cast iron proof or hearsay?

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Read and research it yourself, plenty of links have already been provided....including ron's own words.....

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Markabilly, try and return from fantasyland with arguments that can be based on evidence, not on a Hollywood script. Either way your argument is irrelevant regarding Alonso's return to Renault unless you're also trying to argue that Hamilton is following him there for 2008.

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No I am just so tired of mac and hamster apologists dumping on freddie with some sort of superior, snotty brit attitude about Freddie, blaming him for Mac's problems and slamming him for being a blackmailing rat when for WHAT we actually know, Hamster was the only rat whose squealing started two investigations, one of which cost his team mate a WDC, and his team the fine of 100 million and wcc points

Bottom line:
When it comes to choking in 2007, Hamster wins.
When it comes to ratting out a team mate, Hamster wins.
When it comes to ratting out his team, Hamster wins.
When it comes to costing a team mate and his team of having a WDC winner on his team, Hamster wins

But it is only fitting because are not hamsters related to rats? :confused: :confused:

And I am still waiting for any evidence that Freddie did anything that cost the Hamster one single point by complaining about him to the FIA. But oh me, oh NO, Freddie is unhappy unless he is winning, freddie is unhappy unless he is ahead of his team mate--but who wants a driver who is happy running second?

This whole thread was started and is all about dumping once again on freddie...without squat to back it up

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Originally Posted by markabilly

you mean Jack Daniel with a touch of kool aid :D
makes me think it is not age related

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I forget :(

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Originally Posted by markabilly

And I am still waiting for any evidence that Freddie did anything that cost the Hamster one single point by complaining about him to the FIA. But oh me, oh NO, Freddie is unhappy unless he is winning, freddie is unhappy unless he is ahead of his team mate--but who wants a driver who is happy running second?

This whole thread was started and is all about dumping once again on freddie...without squat to back it up

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It's not really just about about Hamilton is it?
Here's what some snotty Brit apparently said last year:
http://www.duemotori.com/news//18593...at_Symonds.php

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"He only had one very, very small chink in his armour when he drove for us," Symonds explained, "and that was the inability to accept being beaten."

"Actually that's a really good quality, but it was the one time he was perhaps slightly irrational -- when Giancarlo (Fisichella) beat him, for example."
"I think that what we've seen this year, with Lewis unexpectedly giving him such a hard time, it's opened up that chink a little bit,"

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Pat Symonds is just another Hamilton apologist, right? :p :
The original interview is the Sunday 30 September 2007 a podcast on Renault f1 web site.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/7639014

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Sigh does he still think he's getting in at Ferrari next year? :p :

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

Sigh does he still think he's getting in at Ferrari next year? :p :

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Hope not!! we don't want a whole shyteload of conflicting issues at Ferrari next year.

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Alonso's manager for a start. Also both Bernie and Max have accepted Ron's account of that meeting at Hungary. Odd that people accept Max's verdict when convenient but not at others.

Ferrari may be happy with Alonso but they won't have him. 2007 with Alonso clearly looking for a way out from McLaren and Massa only on a one season contract would have been the ideal opportunity for Ferrari to sign him if they were interested. They responded to Alonso looking for another seat by extending Massa's contract.


Markabilly, try and return from fantasyland with arguments that can be based on evidence, not on a Hollywood script. Either way your argument is irrelevant regarding Alonso's return to Renault unless you're also trying to argue that Hamilton is following him there for 2008.

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Can you provide me with the statament made by Alonso's manager???? I do not remember it, maybe because it did not exist. On the other hand i remember Mad Max talking about the issue, and how Ron Dennis again lied to him by saying he had nothing to be worried about, and later packnicing about the prospect of being blackmailed. Yet again no proof that Alonso blackmailed the team, you only have Ron Dennis statement, and Max statement about what Ron Dennis have told him.

Please provide us (preferably me) with some solid proof that the blackmailing took place, and do not refer us to Ron Dennis words againn please, because if something has been proven this year is that he is a liar (even Max said so).

About Massa's contract being extended i think that the only reason why this happened was because Massa's manager is Todt's son, and by extending Massa's contract Todt made sure his son would have enough money to survive now that is father si not running the f1 team anymore. Furthermore, given the fact that Ferrari needed Massa to pull over to ensure Kimi was WDC, they had to give him something back in exchange. It is just a thought but as a therory it may be as valid as yours. I won't be surprised if Massa is dumped after 2008 to make room for another driver. Fernando perhaps? who knows...

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I forget :(

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first sign of drinking that kool aid stuff too much.....just look at poor Wilko