Sorry, but I have 5-bucks that says Champ Car does not answer the bell in 2008...

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Originally Posted by pits4me

You might want to check the track distance ChaimWitz. The IRL uses a different method than Champ Car.

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Um, he is using lap times, not average speed...track measurement has nothing to do with it...

Of the three canceled races this year, the only 'real' cancellation was Phoenix. Denver was not going to happen from the start of the season. China, just like South Korea never got off the ground. Personally, the cancellation of the Chinese race was somewhat insignificant. Also, are we that concerned about the Chinese market? In the future, China may be a great place to be, but not at the current time.

On the other hand, the Phoenix cancellation sent shockwaves throughout the Champ Car community. I was looking forward to attending the Phoenix race. It would have been a great time to race because no other major series is racing during this time.

Surely, the cancellation of any race is bad for any series and even more detrimental to our series because of its current state. I was at the Vegas race this year and the race has a lot of potential. It would be sad for this event to end. The race needs to be held on another day other than Easter. There was a lot of excitement in the air and if the race is promoted well, it could easily be another Long Beach. Who does not want to be in Vegas for a race?

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Originally Posted by pits4me

You might want to check the track distance ChaimWitz. The IRL uses a different method than Champ Car.

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pits4me, you are right that the IRL and Champ Car use different methods for calculating lap lengths which results in a difference in average speeds if the the lap times are identical. What does not change, however, is the lap time itself, since both series obviously use the same measure of time, and the start finish line doesn't move! Lap time Vs. lap time is where you can compare the relative perfomance of the two types of cars. At some places, the Champ Cars are clearly faster due to the HP, push-to-pass (and the fact that the Dallaras are so dammed ugly). I posted the Milwaukee and Mid-Ohio times since it surprised me when the comparison was mentioned somewhere else on these boards.

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Originally Posted by beachbum

Of course, Monday morning I expect the usual cheerleaders to jump in and tell us about the wonderful future CC has and how it will rise from the current ashes. It ain't no Phoenix. The only things flying around CC headquarters are a few buzzards waiting to pick at the carcass.

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I stopped by the Champcar headquarters today to pickup some papers....didn't see one buzzard flying around (unless you consider a well known IRL owner along with someone else with him I saw in the lobby waiting for a meeting today buzzards)

[quote="mark123"]I read that the 2007 irl car was pretty close to the times set by the 2006 champcar at mid ohio? so given the IRL car is 100 - 150 hp down on the CC - they are hardly pigs on the road course.
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Please give all the facts...Mid Ohio has since been repaved which lead to the quicker times also. The repaved track was worth several seconds. Put a new DP01 on that course and it would be quite a bit faster than the Lola that ran in 1996

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Originally Posted by mike15

Just the typical doom and gloom from fence sitters and IRL lovers.

For 2008 the promoters will be strong and the schedule will be set with long term goals and dates. There will be more teams with solid sponsors. The key to the 2008 season will be the series presenting sponsor that will be announced before Mexico. It will be a dual sponsor targeting both North America and Europe.

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Funny how all the D&Gers have free rein here on the Champcar board yet if the same happens on the IRL board warnings are sent. Appears that there are two sets of rules by the moderators. Just expressing my personal opionion.

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Originally Posted by FerrrariF1

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Originally Posted by mark123

I read that the 2007 irl car was pretty close to the times set by the 2006 champcar at mid ohio? so given the IRL car is 100 - 150 hp down on the CC - they are hardly pigs on the road course.
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The repaved track was worth several seconds.

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Several seconds? lol

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Originally Posted by tbyars

Because, the fact is, that if CCWS does go under, regardless of your imagination, American Open Wheel will indeed continue.

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You forgot the words "to suck" at the end of that sentence.

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Originally Posted by FerrrariF1

Funny how all the D&Gers have free rein here on the Champcar board yet if the same happens on the IRL board warnings are sent. Appears that there are two sets of rules by the moderators. Just expressing my personal opionion.

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I wish there actually WAS a double standard on these boards, and that involved the banning of annoying codswallop like this.

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Originally Posted by ChaimWitz

mark123, you bring up an interesting comparison:

Mid-Ohio
2003 Champ Car Pole: 1:07.058 secs, P. Tracy, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Pole: 1:06:8375 secs, H. Castroneves, Dallara Honda
2003 Champ Car Fast Race Lap: 1:08.366 secs, J. Vasser, Reynard Ford
2007 Indy Car Fast Race Lap : 1:08.00 secs, D. Franchitti, Dallara Honda

Milwaukee Mile
2006 Champ Car Pole: 21.182 secs, S. Bourdais, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Pole: 21.3596 secs, H. Castroneves, Dallara Honda
2006 Champ Car Fast Race Lap: 22.285 secs, S. Bourdais, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Fast Race Lap: 22.2017 secs, D. Wheldon, Dallara Honda

No push-to-pass and less HP but the times are virtually identical. It does make you think, doesn't it?

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Well the last time Champcar raced at Mid Ohio they did not have push to pass. The fastest official times by Champcar in Mid Ohio happened in 2000 when the pole speed was timed at 1:05:347 and fastest race lap I beleive was 2001 at 1:07:669.

I think Walker Racing did some testing in Mid Ohio this year and wonder if they posted any times

And don't forget a repaved track.