"Rats" and "sinking ship" leap to mind.....

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Actually, I want to go on record right now to refute what you say. For a start, bunsen was contracted to Honda when he tried to jump ship to Williams. Then he was contracted to Williams and he reneged.

As for Williams offering to give ant a test drive, it appears you know nothing about Williams's intentions. It was never for a race seat for one year. And I challenge you to give me one single instance where ant was disloyal to Honda.

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go on record all you want my friend :D

I also never claimed that Ant was disloyal to Honda or that the potential seat was at Williams. all I will say is that if you think any driver out there would sit on his thumbs rather than have a shot in a competitive car, then you are sadly mistaken. lets face it, the only reason that Ant didn't drive last year was that he might have had a shot in the Honda seat.

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Originally Posted by Flat.tyres

go on record all you want my friend :D

I also never claimed that Ant was disloyal to Honda or that the potential seat was at Williams. all I will say is that if you think any driver out there would sit on his thumbs rather than have a shot in a competitive car, then you are sadly mistaken. lets face it, the only reason that Ant didn't drive last year was that he might have had a shot in the Honda seat.

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You seem to have dodged the painful bunsen stitches and tried to deflect your argument towards ant.

Your last statement is irrelevant and just plain dumb. Honda had bunsen and Rubens, so how you could possibly think ant had a chance to drive at Honda last year is just plain silly.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Absolute nonsense!

Gil does not regularly test drive the car nor does he have a full working knowledge of computational fluid dynamics.

Gil had no legitimacy to undermine Willis, Gil was just lurking in the background serving an apprenticeship in management.

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wedge,.
De Ferran's time at team Honda was remarkable simply because he achieved absolutely nothing, zero, zilch.

His appointment of RB was an unmitigated disaster, AD Honda tester was the obvious replacement for TS, why was he overlooked???????.

My point is still the same DF employed RB for reason's of friendship, not for the benefit of team Honda.

Whether DF tests or has knowledge of computational fluid dynamics is irrelevant.
Regards scaliwag.

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Originally Posted by scaliwag

wedge,.
De Ferran's time at team Honda was remarkable simply because he achieved absolutely nothing, zero, zilch.

His appointment of RB was an unmitigated disaster, AD Honda tester was the obvious replacement for TS, why was he overlooked???????.

My point is still the same DF employed RB for reason's of friendship, not for the benefit of team Honda.

Whether DF tests or has knowledge of computational fluid dynamics is irrelevant.
Regards scaliwag.

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Taku has been the better driver for Super Aguri ie. revised RA06, so I don't see how Ant would do a better job in the RA07 when Ant has a similar driver style to Button. On the other hand, Rubens has been the better driver so far in the dreadful RA07. I see no reason how Ant would do any better.

http://f1-facts.com/statistics/team-mates/Davidson

http://f1-facts.com/statistics/team-mates/Barrichello

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Originally Posted by killincommies

I second that!


How do you figure that the car is getting better?

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you are right it isn't.
In fact they abandoned the 2007 car and went back to the 2006 model as of Silverstone. Which, of course, leads to more confusion as to the Super Aguri car. But as the Speed TV crew said. The team selling their previous year's model don't give up the intellectual rights and are more than legally able to use that "older" model if they so choose fit too.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

you are right it isn't.
In fact they abandoned the 2007 car and went back to the 2006 model as of Silverstone. Which, of course, leads to more confusion as to the Super Aguri car. But as the Speed TV crew said. The team selling their previous year's model don't give up the intellectual rights and are more than legally able to use that "older" model if they so choose fit too.

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Actually, I think Speed TV have that wrong. The Concorde Agreement says something along the lines of a constructor being the owner of the IP rights to a car design. If Honda sold the IP rights to Super Aguri for the 2006 car then they would be in breach of the Condorde Agreement if they were then to use the 2006 car themselves. Honda can't use the 2006 car because it isn't theirs to use. They could no more use the 2006 car than McLaren could use the F2007. Next year it's OK but this year it isn't.

I think that's how it works, anyway. :confused:

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Originally Posted by truefan72

you are right it isn't.
In fact they abandoned the 2007 car and went back to the 2006 model as of Silverstone. Which, of course, leads to more confusion as to the Super Aguri car. But as the Speed TV crew said. The team selling their previous year's model don't give up the intellectual rights and are more than legally able to use that "older" model if they so choose fit too.

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Let's hope they don't take the 2006 car back off Super Aguri, leaving SA with those antique Arrows. :(

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

This Honda is a lousy design, Gil has not been given the role Ross Brawn had at Ferrari, and it's all gone pear shape.

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De Ferran was never going to be a technical director, thats not what he was hired for.

He was supposed to be the link between the drivers and the team, to be able to articulate what they wanted back to the factory. It always was a role that wasn't going to be very strong or important and he once he realised that there was a limited amount he could contribute he wasn't happy.

He didn't contribute much to hiring Rubens either, RB approached Honda and the decision was taken much higher up than De Ferran to take him on board.

Its a loss for Honda but bearing in mind they've hired quite a few people recently from Williams and BMW its a little odd to say people are fleeing the team, if anything the team is growing in size not shrinking.

Well, bunsen hasn't fled yet - does that tell us something?

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

You seem to have dodged the painful bunsen stitches and tried to deflect your argument towards ant.

Your last statement is irrelevant and just plain dumb. Honda had bunsen and Rubens, so how you could possibly think ant had a chance to drive at Honda last year is just plain silly.

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im not defending button but just stating a fact. yes, button chop and changed and got his fingers burnt but he's a hungry driver that wants success. pity he's not a little more aggressive on the track :D

as for ant being in with a shout of a Honda drive, think back to what was happening prior to the start of the 06 season when this was all going on behind the scenes. send a little email up to Hemel and clarify it if your unsure. ;)