MotoGP Round 7 Catalunya

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Originally Posted by tha_jackal

One eyed drivel! You have no grounds to say Rossi would be competetive on the Ducati/Bridgestone mount. It just happens to be the perfect combination for young Casey (look at Capirossi, Hoffman, Barros etc.) The last two years of GP racing have really exposed your 'hero' as just 'another rider.'

Losing his title to Nicky in 07 and now being fought and beaten by a young upstart in red just shows Rossi needs everything EXACTLY right for him in order to win, just like ANYONE else ;)

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Oh you are so wrong, he is not just like any other rider he is one of the best riders to have ever taken part in top class motorcycle racing, you don`t get 7 world titles for nothing, what has casey done yet nothing not saying he won`t be champ but what has he won upto today, and as for last season Hayden was only world champ because he finished every race, you can`t deny rossi had a lot of bad luck, and i know if rossi was on ducati he would be past your man stoner on the straights that is for sure. Good LUck to Stoner but come on Rossi you can do it, and you seem to forget Mugello Barros passed him on Ducati to claim 3rd so what`s your point he`s on Factory Ducati not satelite team.
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Originally Posted by alfa155btcc

Good LUck to Stoner but come on Rossi you can do it, and you seem to forget Mugello Barros passed him on Ducati to claim 3rd so what`s your point he`s on Factory Ducati not satelite team.
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Everyone has their bad days. On that day Stoner finished 4th, on his other bad day he finished 5th, in Jerez. You seem to forget that Rossi finished 10th in Instanbul and 6th in Le Mans on his bad days. For sure Rossi would probably be winning more with a Ducati but come on, Stoner has completely wiped the floor with everyone else on the Ducati's, and was only beaten by a Ducati this year once - by a guy who is a race winning rider who has been around in the premier class since 1990. Of course everyone wants a close championship but you can't exactly prove your assumptions.

Peace! :s mokin:

It's an interesting situation that Valentino finds himself in. Up until this season, he hadn't come across anyone who managed to cope with the psychological and "track" pressure that Vale exerts....... now Casey seems to have found the "nirvana" package for him, and seems totally confident and oblivious to pressure around him, which for me having followed him since his 250 debut is incredible........ even as early as last year he continually pushed the boundaries until the equipment threw him off.

Valentino is a 7 time World Champion, and like Doohan went 5 straight. It's a massive call to say the conditions were perfect for 5 years..... he was simply too dominant in all areas, particularly in the psychological wars, just ask Gibernau, Biaggi, Capirossi etc etc etc.....

He had no right to even be that close to Hayden last year given the state of the M1, it was a bucket of ****. Just look where the next best Yamaha rider was last year..... and this year for that matter.

I might get crucified for this, as i have on many other forums, but Hayden last year was a recipient of circumstance..... he just rode around, risk free and waited for Vale to either fall or have points taken from him through mechanical failure. Congrats to him, he has a World Title and no-one can take that away from him, but he will go down as another Kenny Roberts Jnr..........

Valentino has the ability to adapt to machinery like no other rider can, that is fact. Put him on the Ducati and it is a given he would be leading the title race. As an Aussie, i love seeing Casey riding this well, but my heart lies with Rossi, as it has done since 1996.

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Originally Posted by alfa155btcc

You don`t understand Rossi on his day no one can touch him and if he was on a Ducati there would be no competition, I am a Rossi fan and want him to winwhat is wrong with that, I want it to be close but still want rossi to regain the championship.

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This is why I'm no longer a massive Rossi fan (amongst some other reasons). The arrogance of so many of his supporters annoys me. Stoner or Pedrosa on their day are also untouchable. Yes he is probably still the best rider and his record is legendary but why should he still be unbeatable? Even Tiger Woods gets beaten, he is human.

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Originally Posted by alfa155btcc

Oh you are so wrong, he is not just like any other rider he is one of the best riders to have ever taken part in top class motorcycle racing, you don`t get 7 world titles for nothing, what has casey done yet nothing not saying he won`t be champ but what has he won upto today, and as for last season Hayden was only world champ because he finished every race, you can`t deny rossi had a lot of bad luck, and i know if rossi was on ducati he would be past your man stoner on the straights that is for sure. Good LUck to Stoner but come on Rossi you can do it, and you seem to forget Mugello Barros passed him on Ducati to claim 3rd so what`s your point he`s on Factory Ducati not satelite team.

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What the hell does that have to do with anything? No one disputes Vales record, but the new guys coming through are making him work because they aren't intimidated by him and aren't buying his mind games.

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Originally Posted by osg

It's an interesting situation that Valentino finds himself in. Up until this season, he hadn't come across anyone who managed to cope with the psychological and "track" pressure that Vale exerts....... now Casey seems to have found the "nirvana" package for him, and seems totally confident and oblivious to pressure around him, which for me having followed him since his 250 debut is incredible........ even as early as last year he continually pushed the boundaries until the equipment threw him off.

Valentino is a 7 time World Champion, and like Doohan went 5 straight. It's a massive call to say the conditions were perfect for 5 years..... he was simply too dominant in all areas, particularly in the psychological wars, just ask Gibernau, Biaggi, Capirossi etc etc etc.....

He had no right to even be that close to Hayden last year given the state of the M1, it was a bucket of ****. Just look where the next best Yamaha rider was last year..... and this year for that matter.

I might get crucified for this, as i have on many other forums, but Hayden last year was a recipient of circumstance..... he just rode around, risk free and waited for Vale to either fall or have points taken from him through mechanical failure. Congrats to him, he has a World Title and no-one can take that away from him, but he will go down as another Kenny Roberts Jnr..........

Valentino has the ability to adapt to machinery like no other rider can, that is fact. Put him on the Ducati and it is a given he would be leading the title race. As an Aussie, i love seeing Casey riding this well, but my heart lies with Rossi, as it has done since 1996.

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The M1 last year was a fast bike, especially by seasons end, it was just unreliable.
And your assertion that Nicky just rolled around and won the title is garbage. He rode real hard and 10 podiums including 2 wins as well as 4 other top 5's is a bloody good year. There's no doubt he lacks that extra edge to win races consistently but to say that he just waited for Vale to crash or break down is insulting. Yes it will be his only title but he deserved it.
It's not a given that Rossi would be leading the title on a Ducati. He wouldn't have Jerry Burgess tuning for him and he would have a competitive teammate on the other side of the garage, a question mark we have never had to see him answer until hopefully next year if Lorenzo (please Jorge, do it!) joins Yamaha.

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Originally Posted by NinjaMaster

The M1 last year was a fast bike, especially by seasons end, it was just unreliable.
And your assertion that Nicky just rolled around and won the title is garbage. He rode real hard and 10 podiums including 2 wins as well as 4 other top 5's is a bloody good year. There's no doubt he lacks that extra edge to win races consistently but to say that he just waited for Vale to crash or break down is insulting. Yes it will be his only title but he deserved it.
It's not a given that Rossi would be leading the title on a Ducati. He wouldn't have Jerry Burgess tuning for him and he would have a competitive teammate on the other side of the garage, a question mark we have never had to see him answer until hopefully next year if Lorenzo (please Jorge, do it!) joins Yamaha.

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look, i don't have any issues with anything you've said ninja......... but put simply Hayden managed to stay out of trouble all year whilst those around him fell by the wayside, and that is fact. Capirossi ,Gibernau, Melandri and Pedrosa all had their issues last year....... Hayden had just the one when Dani took him out in the penultimate round.

I guess we'll not see eye to eye on this mate, as i think Hayden is a stiff who will be back in AMA before too long....... he's been on top flite machinery since he arrived in MotoGP 4 years ago and has done f**k all in my opinion up until last year..... but thats just it, my opinion.

As for Lorenzo teaming up with Rossi............ if Yamaha do draft that little twat in, they'll have a team without Valentino, as he has said more than once that he cannot stand him, and would walk away if that happened.

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Originally Posted by osg

look, i don't have any issues with anything you've said ninja......... but put simply Hayden managed to stay out of trouble all year whilst those around him fell by the wayside, and that is fact. Capirossi ,Gibernau, Melandri and Pedrosa all had their issues last year....... Hayden had just the one when Dani took him out in the penultimate round.

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Something that is overlooked is that Hayden took a podium in the final race of the year and clinched the title with a broken shoulder, which should say something to some people. As said earlier, it'll probably be his only title, but he deserved it.

On another note, when was the last time someone other than Rossi won 4 or more races in a year? KRjr in 2000?

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Originally Posted by Malllen

Something that is overlooked is that Hayden took a podium in the final race of the year and clinched the title with a broken shoulder, which should say something to some people. As said earlier, it'll probably be his only title, but he deserved it.

On another note, when was the last time someone other than Rossi won 4 or more races in a year? KRjr in 2000?

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..... and i admire that from Hayden....... he has his title and it's in the books, no arguements here.

And yes, Kenny Jn in 2000 won 4 on his way to grabbing the title.

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Originally Posted by osg

look, i don't have any issues with anything you've said ninja......... but put simply Hayden managed to stay out of trouble all year whilst those around him fell by the wayside, and that is fact. Capirossi ,Gibernau, Melandri and Pedrosa all had their issues last year....... Hayden had just the one when Dani took him out in the penultimate round.

I guess we'll not see eye to eye on this mate, as i think Hayden is a stiff who will be back in AMA before too long....... he's been on top flite machinery since he arrived in MotoGP 4 years ago and has done f**k all in my opinion up until last year..... but thats just it, my opinion.

As for Lorenzo teaming up with Rossi............ if Yamaha do draft that little twat in, they'll have a team without Valentino, as he has said more than once that he cannot stand him, and would walk away if that happened.

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I think it was on this forum I described the Hayden championship as soft and the thing is he went as hard as he could. I think that is why many question the depth of his skills. Hayden has had access to the best equipment in the best team! However Nicky Hayden won the MotoGP World Championship of 2006 and no one can ever take that away. Simply competing at this level (at least the first half of the grid) shows you are a cut above the rest (or funding your ride).

It is difficult to speculate accurately on Rossi at Ducati, one thing for sure he would be competitive. I do not think there is anyone (informed) on this forum who would question Rossi's ability. We all get bored with the same person winning over and over again but last season cured me of that and now I am enjoying watching Rossi have some young guns push him to his limits. I want to see Rossi fight for the championship and if he wins one or two more it will add to his legend.

The Doohan era whilst golden is a little hollow in comparison to Rossi who has won his titles against stiff opposition and also took the ultimate challenge to change manufacturers and go against the flow to a team that was at the time clearly weaker. I was not old enough to watch and enjoy racing in the years of 'Ago' and Kenny snr, but I imagine the competition is much stiffer now and that Valentino Rossi is the greatest motorcycle racer in the history of planet earth. (By the way Rossi is not my favourite rider, I just acknowledge his extreme talent).

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Originally Posted by Malllen

Everyone has their bad days. On that day Stoner finished 4th, on his other bad day he finished 5th, in Jerez. You seem to forget that Rossi finished 10th in Instanbul and 6th in Le Mans on his bad days. For sure Rossi would probably be winning more with a Ducati but come on, Stoner has completely wiped the floor with everyone else on the Ducati's, and was only beaten by a Ducati this year once - by a guy who is a race winning rider who has been around in the premier class since 1990. Of course everyone wants a close championship but you can't exactly prove your assumptions.

Peace! :s mokin:

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I`m not assuming anything just said credit where credit is due stoner has done well so far, what`s wrong in saying he has a better bike he truely has would like to know your views if the roles were switched and your man stoner was on a Yamaha

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Originally Posted by osg

It's an interesting situation that Valentino finds himself in. Up until this season, he hadn't come across anyone who managed to cope with the psychological and "track" pressure that Vale exerts....... now Casey seems to have found the "nirvana" package for him, and seems totally confident and oblivious to pressure around him, which for me having followed him since his 250 debut is incredible........ even as early as last year he continually pushed the boundaries until the equipment threw him off.

Valentino is a 7 time World Champion, and like Doohan went 5 straight. It's a massive call to say the conditions were perfect for 5 years..... he was simply too dominant in all areas, particularly in the psychological wars, just ask Gibernau, Biaggi, Capirossi etc etc etc.....

He had no right to even be that close to Hayden last year given the state of the M1, it was a bucket of ****. Just look where the next best Yamaha rider was last year..... and this year for that matter.

I might get crucified for this, as i have on many other forums, but Hayden last year was a recipient of circumstance..... he just rode around, risk free and waited for Vale to either fall or have points taken from him through mechanical failure. Congrats to him, he has a World Title and no-one can take that away from him, but he will go down as another Kenny Roberts Jnr..........

Valentino has the ability to adapt to machinery like no other rider can, that is fact. Put him on the Ducati and it is a given he would be leading the title race. As an Aussie, i love seeing Casey riding this well, but my heart lies with Rossi, as it has done since 1996.

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Great Points you make a couple of which i was going too but you beat me to it

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