Small boy kills big pig

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hawkmoon. I demand you stop the suffering of animals now. Stop eating meat and get your iron and protein from tablets or plants.

You don't need to eat meat. You choose to eat meat.

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We all do things we don't need to do, including eating meat. I have no problem with eating meat and love a good burger. :p

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hawkmoon, get a grip. There are tribes in Africa, Asia and South American that still regularly hunt down animals and kill them. That's their way of life and they enjoy the fact that this is their life. Is their way of life wrong? Should they accept your interpretation of the "western" style of life and move to a city, hold down a job, buy food from a supermarket, develop alcohol and drug problems or should they live life the way they want to and respect the land and the animals that allow them to live this way rather than rape and pillage as us "civilised" westerners do?

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These folk are doing it out of need, not enjoyment. I'm willing to bet that if there was a Woolworths in the Amazon it would do good business. Hunting is a chore and if you don't have to do it to survive, you don't.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I said I don't agree with whaling so don't try and make it sound like I do. Farming and hunting must always be done in a sustainable manner. If you don't like hunting I hope you've never gone hunting for fish with bait and a rod. I really hope you never do this or that you've never gone into woolworths and buy wild fish that was hunted and caught and prepared for you.

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No, I don't go fishing and find it interesting that it's not considered a blood sport which I think it clearly is.

You say you don't agree with whaling because they are endangered yet they are only endangered because we hunted them to that point. If they weren't endangered would you have a problem with it? Should we only stop shooting things when they become endangered?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hunting is NOT sport. Hunting is going out and killing something so you can eat it. Sport shooting is going out and shooting something for it's tusks, horns, other ornamental apendages or just for the sake of it and leaving it there to rot. Hunting is no different to going to Woolworths and picking up that bright red rubbish they try to pass off as Beef (beef should be a deep red colour if it's been hung for long enough) except for the fact that it's more satisfying. Think of it like taking your car to the garage or fixing it yourself. It's the fact that the human race has devolved into a race of wimpy namby pamby people who cry when they break a nail and can't stomach the harsh reality that for us to eat stuff that stuff has to die and it's not as easy and clean as picking an apple from a tree.

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Semantics, Daniel. It's the end justifying the means. How is it any more noble to kill an animal for food that you could get from a butcher than it is to kill one for a trophy?

How's that? :D

I have no problem with people hunting, I do have a real problem with an 11 year old boy running around with a .50 callibre pistol though :\

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Originally Posted by janneppi

But they would just kill your pet dogs and sheep and we can't have that now can we? ;)

For the record, i don't mind people hunting to keep certain species in check, but if done for a sport seems bit unfair if done with equipment other than rocks , and if done to quench one's thirst for blood i'd suggest going paintballing or computer games instead.

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I agree ;) It's been suggested that the boy is "bloodthirsty" and none of us can say whether or not he is. Firstly as people have pointed out that pig had a good chance of killing the boy so it is as he said an "achievement" and as there aren't many things bigger than it around he isn't going to kill anything bigger.

I don't go out and kill things just for fun or because I'm bored. I go online and kill other people. It's a lot more fun and a lot less messy. I love paintball too! But give me the chance to go hunting for a nice meal and I like to do that too on occasion but it's something I can take or leave to be honest.

I wonder how many people would be outraged had they seen this young boy catch a record sized fish :mark: I mean a fish would have just been swimming around all big and then he could have caught it and killed it. But strangely enough this wouldn't have raised any eyebrows as fishing and killing wild fish is totally acceptable. Double standards perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

OK.... :)

We all do things we don't need to do, including eating meat. I have no problem with eating meat and love a good burger. :p

These folk are doing it out of need, not enjoyment. I'm willing to bet that if there was a Woolworths in the Amazon it would do good business. Hunting is a chore and if you don't have to do it to survive, you don't.

No, I don't go fishing and find it interesting that it's not considered a blood sport which I think it clearly is.

You say you don't agree with whaling because they are endangered yet they are only endangered because we hunted them to that point. If they weren't endangered would you have a problem with it? Should we only stop shooting things when they become endangered?

Semantics, Daniel. It's the end justifying the means. How is it any more noble to kill an animal for food that you could get from a butcher than it is to kill one for a trophy?

How's that? :D

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I didn't suggest that there was some kind of inherent nobility in hunting your own food. I simply said it is more satisfying for some people to do it themselves rather than picking up a piece of meat in a foam container with cling film over it. As I said before some people would prefer to fix their own car than to have someone else doing it as that gives them a great sense of satisfaction. I for one will seldom buy a photo when I can probably go out and take a photo that is just as good if not better than some of the crap out there. That gives me a sense of satisfaction which buying something just wouldn't. In a sense it IS more noble to kill something for food rather than just as a trophy because killing for a trophy is wasteful whereas killing for food is resourceful.

You say that we all do things that we don't need to do. Some people listen to Kylie Minogue. Personally I think she's unecessary but that doesn't mean that I think people who listen to Kylie are wrong or that they should stop doing that. It's their thing and while I don't like it, it has minimal impact upon me and it's their choice.

Hunting is a chore. Then why do these people do it? :mark: You'll find a lot of people living in normal brick and mortar houses with supermarkets nearby do it all over the world. Why did this boy trek for 3 hours through hilly terrain when he could have just played a computer game or gone to a supermarket to get a pork sausage? Jeez I wonder why......

I fail to see the difference of going out into the wild and finding a pig and shooting it or going up to it with a prod and electrocuting the hell out of it. Net result is the same either way yet at least this pig had a chance to fight back.......

Somehow I always cannot see the point when people are against hunting and in the same time eat burgers from McDonalds. Which one is more cruel to an animal, live whole life in captivity and end up being a burger or live life in natural conditions and end up being a game stew?

Shooting a bird from the forest is the most ecological way of getting food. No, it is not necessary, but it is ecological. Growing animals in the farms isn't. I honestly don't know a single man who goes hunting just because they enjoy killing. That would be just plain stupid. I know that they hunt because that is something their fathers and grandfathers used to do.

Animals hunt other animals as well, you know. And last time I checked human was an animal too...

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Here they hunt moose which are way bigger than that (1400 pounds for you imperial people). People take to a butcher to get some parts to freeze and to make sausage. Some families do that and eat it through the whole year (and still give some away to friends).

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Similarily, I have a good friend who goes on an annual deer hunt. Him and his two friends may spend an entire day finding, tracking and taking down a single deer. They gut the beast in the woods (the innards and non-edible parts are left for the coyetes, wovles, bears... to finnish off), haul (by human power... no quads) the carcass out and bring it to a local butcher to cut up. One deer produces enough meat for several families for a year. Heck, I still have some chops in the freezer :D .

There are almost no restrictions on deer hunting around these parts. It is the only realistic way to keep the populations in check. Man has encroached upon the wild habitat to the point where the numbers of natural predators (wolves, bears) have dwindled. Without the annual deer hunt there would be an over-population of deer, which would in turn affect the rest of the ecosystem :mark: .

I'm not sure, however, why this Aussie fellow killed this pig...? Yes, I agree that it was an impressive feat, but it sounds like he did it simply for pleasure, and got some kind of perverse enjoyment from it :s

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Originally Posted by CarlMetro

I have no problem with people hunting, I do have a real problem with an 11 year old boy running around with a .50 callibre pistol though :\

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Why, Carl? As far as outside observers are concerned, what does it matter whether it's a .50, a .45 or a .44? Where I live, it is illegal to hunt big game, if using handgun ammunition, with anything smaller than a .38 - and no one actually hunts with a .38. The smallest practical handgun caliber for hunting is the .44 Magnum. I use a .45 AutoMag, simply because I prefer automatics over the increased recoil inherent in revolvers. With all due respect to you, Carl... my guess is people only have a "problem" with the .50 because they think of this as a military caliber, and believe there to be something "more deadly or dangerous", versus a .44 Magnum or .45 Magnum. If I saw a kid in the woods with a big hand cannon, I'd figure he was just another hunter. If I saw a kid (alone) ANYWHERE with a Glock .40 or 9mm, I might prepare myself for a problem with him. One is for hunting, one is not.

Daniel has done an amazing job of making each point that I would have made. Bravisimo, Daniel! So I leave the floor to him. And I would only reinforce his point about hunting for meat vs. sport hunting. Sport hunting includes animals which are basically inedible, or not typically eaten. Personally, I don't agree with that sort of hunting. But whether I agree with that category or not, there is a real difference.

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Originally Posted by Woodeye

Somehow I always cannot see the point when people are against hunting and in the same time eat burgers from McDonalds. Which one is more cruel to an animal, live whole life in captivity and end up being a burger or live life in natural conditions and end up being a game stew?

Shooting a bird from the forest is the most ecological way of getting food. No, it is not necessary, but it is ecological. Growing animals in the farms isn't. I honestly don't know a single man who goes hunting just because they enjoy killing. That would be just plain stupid. I know that they hunt because that is something their fathers and grandfathers used to do.

Animals hunt other animals as well, you know. And last time I checked human was an animal too...

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There are so many people nowadays that there aren't enough wild animals to feed us and the farm animals wouldn't live long without humans anyway. As long as farm animals are well taken care off and given a decent life I don't mind too much (sadly they most often aren't these days because people try to maximize their profits).

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Why, Carl? As far as outside observers are concerned, what does it matter whether it's a .50, a .45 or a .44?

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I'd guess that Carl mostly objects giving a firearm to an 11 year old child, not the size of the gun.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

How is it any more noble to kill an animal for food that you could get from a butcher than it is to kill one for a trophy?

How's that? :D

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Noble? The primary reason many people eat wild meat is that it tastes better. And especially in the Appalachians, there are still people who rely on gardens and wild game. They live much as they did in the 1930's. Contrary to popular world belief, not every American has a Walmart next door to their home, which they load up their 1.9 kids to visit, in their 14 mpg SUV. Many hunters support poverty programs such as Hunters For The Hungry. So, it's not noble, but it is sometimes necessary.

Trophy animals (in the strictest sense) are seldom killed for meat. The aim and goal is to preserve the head... maybe a tender loin (at most), but often the rest is left for scavengers. So that meat is wasted. From my upbringing to my current profession, waste is something of a sin.

BTW, I'm not sure where you live, but what butcher shop sells (actual) wild boar meat? The online shops that sell "wild" boar meat are usually just selling the meat from captured ferral pigs. And if anyone would like to see the capture techniques for them... let's just say that many of the piglets end up with 3 legs in the end. I hunt (or I use to), but I don't/can't eat veal. I've seen too many veal operations over the years. Go figure...