LH says he made FM do that fault

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Originally Posted by wmcot

It's too early to call him arrogant. Still, I'll bet Ron has a word with him for saying what he thinks.

I do wonder if FA is bothered by LH being Ron's "Golden Child?" You can see the body language that RD uses with LH compared to FA.

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Yes, I did see Ron shaking the pit board for Alonso himself, and then running around his car to make sure everything was OK when FA came for his first stop.

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Originally Posted by POS_Maggott

Hamiltons race craft has impressed me beyond words, for just his second race.

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That's exactly it :up: Racecraft. It's like setting someone up for your sucker punch in boxing. Hamilton set Massa up and Massa took the bait.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That's exactly it :up: Racecraft. It's like setting someone up for your sucker punch in boxing. Hamilton set Massa up and Massa took the bait.

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Only that this isn't boxing and it was up to Felipe to break at the right moment. But hey comparing apples and oranges it's an old habit around here, it's enough to suit one's point of view.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Only that this isn't boxing and it was up to Felipe to break at the right moment. But hey comparing apples and oranges it's an old habit around here, it's enough to suit one's point of view.

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Of course it was up to Felipe to brake at the right moment, but Hamilton tricked him into leaving his braking late.

I think that Hamilton drove superbly and indeed tried to force Massa into a mistake. Of course, it was up to Massa to brake late, but the fact is that he did, and by the way Hamilton takes the turn four, it does seem he is really trying to make Massa brake too late. Very good move and an excellent race by hamilton.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Only that this isn't boxing and it was up to Felipe to break at the right moment. But hey comparing apples and oranges it's an old habit around here, it's enough to suit one's point of view.

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So you don't believe it's possible to take an attribute of one sport and apply it to another under any circumstances — like courage, tactical acumen, strength under pressure, etc?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That's exactly it :up: Racecraft. It's like setting someone up for your sucker punch in boxing. Hamilton set Massa up and Massa took the bait.

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:D Take another look or two at the Video. Massa is trying the same move.... twice, with the same result. He tried taking the inside line and out-braking LH going into the turn. Massa wound up "early appexing" and ran out of track at corner exit.

The first time, LH regained the lead by being able to get on the throttle sooner. The second time... Massa took himself off-track.

;) Give Massa a little credit for trying... and a whole lot of blame. Massa was never going to be able to make that pass... stick, it simply won't work.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I don't think so. IMO Ron was as happy with Alonso as a man ca be. He called Alonso and was almost in tears, his voice was cracking. Do you remember when Ron appeared on the pit wall in the middle of the race.
I saw his stare, he was enjoying Alonso's awesome pace tremendously.

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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it just seems that Ron has a closer relationship with Lewis (which is understandable since he has been grooming him for years.) I guess I'm looking more toward the future when LH starts winning races instead of FA. I can see FA becoming disgruntled at being "number 2" in the team if that happens. I'm sure Ron wouldn't mind peddling him to another team in that case.

On the other hand, there is no doubt that LH is a special talent. I just hope RD doesn't ruin him by trying to control him too much. There have been too many drivers leaving McLaren who later feel they were being "suffocated" by the team demands to keep up the corporate image. (KR, DC, JPM, etc.)

BTW - I read that Norbert Haug is denying that LH did anything intentional. I personally don't think he did anything wrong, but I didn't think the team would let him make that comment in public.
Link - http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/09042007/...tentional.html

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Originally Posted by ioan

Only that this isn't boxing and it was up to Felipe to break at the right moment. But hey comparing apples and oranges it's an old habit around here, it's enough to suit one's point of view.

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Ok fine.

Massa's just useless behind the wheel then. Driving for Ferrari he shouldn't be making amateur mistakes like that, especially when racing against a rookie.

He needs to be replaced... and fast!

arrogant and dirty maneuvers!? :down:

Just laughable.

Massa fncked up, LH did his job extremely well. It's as simple as that.

Massa has a long road ahead of him.