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Originally Posted by Rex Monaco

How much money would it cost the series to 'open' the current rules to innovation? Does it really cost a lot of money to edit a rule book? Not having seen the rule book lately, are they still printed or are they downloaded on pdf now? Because that would be the extent of the cost to the series. Any committee to develop the rule changes would be volunteers.

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Editing the rules may not cost much, but what happens after that? You still need to police them, and if you've opened things up, you're going to have many more variables to test. Safety would be an obvious concern. New parts or different ideas would have to be certified safe before being let loose on a track at 220mph, all of which would incur additional costs, especially if they were bespoke items. Maintaining a minimum standard in that situation would become ferociously expensive, as each newly developed part would require a new processes to be written more or less from scratch. As frustrating as the current situation may be, you have to cut your cloth accordingly. Things like breakeven analysis, working capital cycles and ROCE may not be exciting, but if you're running a business, you ignore them at your peril. Unless Indycar can find a rich benefactor to throw money down a hole, it has to be run on sound business principles. You can't pay supplier invoices with emotion.

Gentlemen,

A few of the comments in the past few postings have come very close to being personal attacks. I'm putting everyone on notice that you need to be sure the wording of your posts removes all possible interpretation of attacking another poster. You may attack an idea all you want, calling the idea stupid, asinine, ridiculous whatever. But you may NOT direct this at a person. Just watch the use of personal pronouns. OK? 'Nuff said.

Gary

Interesting, Nobody is listening. Nobody is watching. And other than the few hard-cores left, nobody seems to care and yet some still defend stupidity.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Interesting, Nobody is listening. Nobody is watching. And other than the few hard-cores left, nobody seems to care and yet some still defend stupidity.

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And yet some still stupidly defend ignorance....

I have been on record saying I would LOVE to have what we used to have. We do not have the money. Period, end of story. The engine manufactures contribute the lions share of promoting the series, save for Verizon, and Target. They are working hard to keep their costs, and the team costs low.

The Indy 500 will be one of the top five watched raced in the US, and possibly the world. The "nobody is watching" is false....yet very true on the versus/nbc/whatever it is called today. My bet is if we put 1994 CART races on some obscure cable network, with have the subscribers of ESPN, it also would lag in ratings......

Those who have ignored the economic climate are doing a great dis-service to those of us who do the best we can with what we have. Lola, gone. Swift, gone (they sold their wind tunnel, and are pretty much done with race cars once the 2013 Formula Nippon series ends). Cosworth for sale, including Coswworth Electronics (the old Pi Group). Newman-Haas, Kelley Racing, Team Menard, Forsythe/Players, Galles Racing, Cheever, Walker Racing, Patrick Racing, Della Penna Racing, and others, gone! DRR, gone after Indy....

Yet some will sit there and say it is not because of money....Really?

The racing has been fantastic! The cars are gorgeous (ok, not really) but they are great cars for racing. Thye have been fast at every track, save for the Super Speedways.

Like a broken record, we ALL would love to get new cars/engines/gearboxes/electronics each and every year. We would love to keep our employees on the books, for the entire year. We do not have the money....

We would love to have TV ratings for more than just one race.......as that would help solve a lot of issues. Bigger TV ratings=Bigger sponsoship deals=more $$=more technology.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

And yet some still stupidly defend ignorance....

I have been on record saying I would LOVE to have what we used to have. We do not have the money. Period, end of story. The engine manufactures contribute the lions share of promoting the series, save for Verizon, and Target. They are working hard to keep their costs, and the team costs low.

The Indy 500 will be one of the top five watched raced in the US, and possibly the world. The "nobody is watching" is false....yet very true on the versus/nbc/whatever it is called today. My bet is if we put 1994 CART races on some obscure cable network, with have the subscribers of ESPN, it also would lag in ratings......

Those who have ignored the economic climate are doing a great dis-service to those of us who do the best we can with what we have. Lola, gone. Swift, gone (they sold their wind tunnel, and are pretty much done with race cars once the 2013 Formula Nippon series ends). Cosworth for sale, including Coswworth Electronics (the old Pi Group). Newman-Haas, Kelley Racing, Team Menard, Forsythe/Players, Galles Racing, Cheever, Walker Racing, Patrick Racing, Della Penna Racing, and others, gone! DRR, gone after Indy....

Yet some will sit there and say it is not because of money....Really?

The racing has been fantastic! The cars are gorgeous (ok, not really) but they are great cars for racing. Thye have been fast at every track, save for the Super Speedways.

Like a broken record, we ALL would love to get new cars/engines/gearboxes/electronics each and every year. We would love to keep our employees on the books, for the entire year. We do not have the money....

We would love to have TV ratings for more than just one race.......as that would help solve a lot of issues. Bigger TV ratings=Bigger sponsoship deals=more $$=more technology.

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Names above you mentioned are out of buisness for two reasons, Owners are older fox and retired and companies who can't survive because they can't produce or sale nothing new because of spec freeze. How do you market ,sale and make more revenue with stupid product that motorsport industry don't care for?
Preaching same old tune to me is a waste of time as I'm stupid but proud member of .2 and big fan of open wheel formula racing therefore will watch and show up . You don't need new car or engine every year ,but to freeze everything is no good neither. Slow spec bumper cars don't sell and that's the fact. Installing no purpose bumpers and ugly side pods to cover wheels is to excite open wheel fans right? Please! Ski industry, phone industry ,gaming industry, car industry etc. is coming out with innovation all the time to serve their market and demand. Imagine if they stayed with your formula, we would still ski with 2x4s and still carry big bags with cell phones and sales would be a joke. There is no money ,but will develop and spend all that money for kits only for three races ,now who is ignorant? I think your time would be better invested by relating the message to your friends so they know what fans demand instead harping on some loyal fans here who only want Indycar to be what made them great in the first place. Good day.

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Originally Posted by fiat1

interesting, nobody is listening. Nobody is watching. And other than the few hard-cores left, nobody seems to care and yet some still defend stupidity.

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yeeeep!

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

.... There is no money ,but will develop and spend all that money for kits only for three races ,now who is ignorant?

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I agree here 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love you pashion, I love your ideas.

You are missing the point. You and I agree on how we want things to be, lock step and barrel. You keep arguing that I some how not in favor of having an open book on car desing, which is incorrect. 100% incorrect.

As an engineer, inovation and pushing technology is what feeds us. So to that point we are a bit (or a lot) stagnated.

The new aero kits are being underwritten cost wise by the engine manufacturers. And, running them at only three events is a horrible idea! That is a situtation based on GM having one design for all races, and Honda having one just for the superspeedways....a political mess that Mr. Walker will hopefully resolve.

NASCAR gets huge ratings for a variety of reasons...none being about cutting edge technology! So I have to disagree to some extent, that the fan base is tied soley on technology. CART, with new chassis/engines/etc, four engine Mfgrs, four chassis Mfgrs from 1996-2001ish could not attract big enough TV numbers to sustain a base. So while I wish we had that again, that alone does not result in an automatic fan base.

All I can say is...give it time. The good racing should lead to a better TV package, better TV ratings, more money, hopefully more technology that you and I can enjoy.

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Good read .


IndyCar - What Indy needs may be more speed - ESPN

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

NASCAR gets huge ratings for a variety of reasons...none being about cutting edge technology! So I have to disagree to some extent, that the fan base is tied soley on technology. CART, with new chassis/engines/etc, four engine Mfgrs, four chassis Mfgrs from 1996-2001ish could not attract big enough TV numbers to sustain a base. So while I wish we had that again, that alone does not result in an automatic fan base.

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With respect to all who follow nascar , I certainly hope that's not you bar of measurement when it comes to standard and quality of open wheel formula that Indycar should be,F1 should be your target, and we all know what has happened since 1995 forward, that's why most of us left in the first place. We hope for the best! See you at a races!