Surely this is a bad idea

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Who are we to judge that this is a bad idea?

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We are men-on-internet. How dare you question our collective authoritah?? :devil: :p

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Originally Posted by airshifter

There are two sides to the coin, but most won't admit that and state only their side of the coin.

Downsides are making sure proper training, background checks, psychological tests, etc are as close as possible to being failsafe. Otherwise you have allowed a person to carry a weapon into a school.

But done properly such as with cops, is any idiot going to go into a school knowing how many armed people they might face? When has a nutter gone to a police station, military barracks or other more likely to be armed location and started shooting it up... and did the damage done against unarmed people?

Think about it.

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Surely this is a bad idea :p
Steven Seagal Training Sheriff Joe Arpaio

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Originally Posted by Starter

As usual, you are going after the wrong problem - if it is even a problem. Once again all the left leaning people are talking about banning guns in some, or all, situations (schools in this case). Guns are NOT the problem. Mentally disturbed people ARE the problem. Yet no one wants to tackle that issue. Stop taking the lazy person's approach and start addressing the real issue.

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It's a case of deciding which is the bigger problem once you take the other away. For example if you took away mentally disturbed people you would still have vengeful and stupid people capable of using guns. You take away guns and you're still left with mentally disturbed people, vengeful people and stupid people, it's just that they have to resort to knives/bats/bricks etc. etc.

I do think that the US gets quite a hard time over their gun laws/opinions/statistics, although there is no doubt in my mind that a large amount of it is deserved. This article has an interesting table at the bottom. If you sort the data by % of homicides by firearm then there are some surprising results. There are predictably some third world and heavily cartel led countries near the top, but I didn't expect Switzerland and Italy to be so high up the table.

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | guardian.co.uk

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Who are we to judge that this is a bad idea? Publically elected officials, who are supposedly best suited to evaluate the situation, have proposed this as the ideal solution within the parameters of U.S. society and their legislation. Surely then this is a good idea.

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Might be because it is the easiest solution, but it is not the best.

Probably to much effort to make the changes needed to rid America of its gun culture. Politicians are just like most others. Try the easiest solution before the most effective.

Much like the fantasy that simply putting some words on a piece of paper (i.e. a law which is no more enforceable than the ones we already have) would cure this problem, this is also a knee-jerk reaction, only from the the pro-gun crowd instead of the pro-gun control crowd. Having been well versed in firearms for most of my time on this planet, I know that putting a firearm in the hands of an untrained person, and thinking that person is going to be able to handle a fire fight or a tense situation, is like giving a machine gun to a baby. Sure, he'll be able to fire it. But the results may be problematic, if not tragic.

Stupid idea.

Great points Jag, and the article does in fact mention a training program that has oversight by a law enforcement commission. Hopefully they at least give the proper training.

You guy act like teachers don't already bring guns with them. I know many teachers and I know that many of them who teach in "rougher" neighborhoods carry guns with them.

Perhaps a gun issued to every new born is the way to go. Of course, you must ensure all parents pack iron to ensure safety.

Oh he'll, I've figured out I really don't care anymore. Let the yanks do what they want. I only have to spend a week or two there each year so let them get on with it.

My apathy gland has taken over and any desire to discuss this rationally, again, has flown out the window

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Perhaps a gun issued to every new born is the way to go. Of course, you must ensure all parents pack iron to ensure safety.

Oh he'll, I've figured out I really don't care anymore. Let the yanks do what they want. I only have to spend a week or two there each year so let them get on with it.

My apathy gland has taken over and any desire to discuss this rationally, again, has flown out the window

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I'm glad that you have finally accepted that our country won't be influenced much by internet discussions. The reality is that every country does stupid things at time, and in this instance it hasn't yet even proven to be stupid. :)

Why don't we arm the kids as well? In case the teacher turns on their class. Only safe thing to do IMO.