Worst team-mates

Well that's Ferrari for ya :) It just had to be a V12! I still remember the Tifosi's cries when they ditched the 12-pot.

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

Well since only the results count, I take it from your logic that you think Schumacher is the best driver of all time?

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I said his supporters use that title, not me. I think he is the most successful driver and one of the best ever.

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Saying he was never that great because he hasn't scored more points than Rosberg as a 41 year old, after three years away from F1 is just totally ridiculous.

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I never said he was never that great. It's not diffiult to read a post before quoting someone. I said he should have retired a couple of years before he did the first time. He was declining back then and only hs elevated position, compliant team mates and good cars kept him at the front.

Is that clearer?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I never said he was never that great. It's not diffiult to read a post before quoting someone. I said he should have retired a couple of years before he did the first time. He was declining back then and only hs elevated position, compliant team mates and good cars kept him at the front.

Is that clearer?

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It is clearer ;) But not neccessarily true. As I remember, he still had a chance to win title #8 in his very last race before the first retirement and that particular race went into the history books as one of his most memorable. He came out of the pits after Fisi had sliced his tire, just seconds from being lapped by his team mate and race leader Massa. He staged the biggest comeback since Lazarus and went on to 4th place. Hardly sounds like decline to me. And the 2005 and 2006 Ferrari's were by no means as dominant as their predeccessors. The Renault was just as good, if not better than the Ferrari. He might have lost a bit, which isn't really surprising if you are a competative athlete over 30, but his real decline only came, when he was away from F1.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

My all-time favorite Alex Zanardi lost to Ralf Schumacher, 33-0, in 1999. In qualifying, however, it was a bit closer--something like 12-5 in favor of the German.

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In fact, if in 1999 was adopted the current point scoring system, Zanardi would have scored points. At least in his home GP.

If you insist DJ. It's only my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

1F, 1F, 1F!!! F1, F1, F1!!!

We can use statistics like candy but the only one that really matters is what the points are at the end of the race.

2012: 93 - 43
2011: 89 - 76
2010: 142 - 72

Guess who's in the left and right column?

This is supposed to be THE BEST DRIVER OF ALL TIME according to some of his supporters. He does one good move in a race and they claim "He's still got it"!

When he first came on the scene, he was as exciting as Lewis but the on-track antics and the cheating has tainted his reputation. He has benefitted from the sort of advantage with cars that Vettel has for the last 3 years and should have retired a couple of years before he did the first time because he didn't have the pace and was inflated by Massa and Ferrari supporting him as the number 1.

The first time since the early Bennetton days that he was on a level playing field within a team and he gets humilitated. Nico isn't all that and I'm sure people will bookmark this post to use if I'm wrong but next year, Lewis will comprehensivly beat him. Where does that leave Schumacher than? A driver that is supposed to be the best of all time but couldn't beat a mediocre team mate when the rules and machinery was even?

Pffff!

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Really, that post is not going to make you look too smart.
MS was awful by every standard in 2010. He was right on the pace of Nico in 2011 and in 2012, at least in qualifying, he has actually been the faster guy consistently. He has had awful luck due to car problems and he has made 2 stupid errors. All in all, at the moment he is not even slightly worse than Rosberg.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Really, that post is not going to make you look too smart.
MS was awful by every standard in 2010. He was right on the pace of Nico in 2011 and in 2012, at least in qualifying, he has actually been the faster guy consistently. He has had awful luck due to car problems and he has made 2 stupid errors. All in all, at the moment he is not even slightly worse than Rosberg.

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Ok, I'm gonna mark that in my calendar. We actually agree on something. Although I wouldn't call it consistently. This year is the first since his comeback in which he actually has a positive balance in the quali duel and that's also only 8 to 6 or something, so he's up there, but 'consistently faster' is stretching it a bit. But he has steadily improved. What people tend to forget is, just how much F1 had changed over the three years of his hiatus. While the active drivers all were eased into the changes gradually. Schumacher got the massive changes of three seasons dumped on him in 2010. That car had barely anything to do with what he knew before. No wonder he needed two years to catch up.