Bachmann v perry-which one to beat obama?

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3rd September 2011, 00:08
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi

FO (foreign observer) questions for US citizens. Is Mitt Romney's faith likely to be a polarising factor for the swinging voter ? Would Rick Perry's NRA endorsement and Military service put him ahead of many candidates in the Southern States ? How important is the potential First Lady factor (i.e wife with the biggest mouth)?

Great questions. During the primaries, the GOP candidate that gets the Evangelical/religious right blessing, as well as an NRA endorsement, is going to have a definite leg up on the others in the south. Military service always helps. And while the Mormon faith is one of the fastest growing in the U.S., in the south it is still viewed by many as a sort of cult or fringe religion... or as some Evangelicals I know say, "they're not real Christians." Even Catholics aren't well accepted in some parts of the south. So no, being a Mormon certainly won't help Romney here. I think Romney will be strong among moderate Republicans and independents, while Perry will be strong among southern Evangelicals, TEA party types and neo-cons ("the base"). Bachmann is a joke candidate. But I think there are some fairly serious players in the GOP contest now.

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What are the likely combinations Repub Pres/ Vice Pres candidates ? Any likelihood of 'something' unexpected ? A Romney/ Kain combo or Romney/ Santorum etc

Another great question. As of yet, I haven't really heard any serious combinations being formed. But I do think Romney is going to have to link up with a hardcore right winger in order to make it out of the primaries. Not to say that person would be his running mate, but he needs a bible thumping BFF about now.
3rd September 2011, 17:27
markabilly

Seems there is a poll that shows Perry beating everyone else, including obama. Only been running a couple of weeks, and there is he.

As I said before, do not underestimate the boy. In the last governor race, the big boy republcians were weary of his shennigans, so they got the US Senator, Hutchinson, to run against him in the primaries.

Everyone thought she would beat him or it would be close. It was not, and Perry got the republican nomination. This is despite his record, which if you look at and click on the links, you will find some awful stuff.....but much like Clinton and Obama, this sort of stuff has been like water on a duck's back, and has never slowed him down.

First Poll Officially Shows a Real Republican Candidate Beating Obama -- Daily Intel

meanwhile bachmann is saying that the hurricane and the earthquake was god's way of of warning and punishing those sinners in new york and washington dc....then the next day, she is trying to make it sound like a joke, as in just kidding.... :rolleyes:
5th September 2011, 02:46
Rollo

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Great questions. During the primaries, the GOP candidate that gets the Evangelical/religious right blessing, as well as an NRA endorsement, is going to have a definite leg up on the others in the south. Military service always helps. And while the Mormon faith is one of the fastest growing in the U.S., in the south it is still viewed by many as a sort of cult or fringe religion... or as some Evangelicals I know say, "they're not real Christians." Even Catholics aren't well accepted in some parts of the south. So no, being a Mormon certainly won't help Romney here. I think Romney will be strong among moderate Republicans and independents, while Perry will be strong among southern Evangelicals, TEA party types and neo-cons ("the base"). Bachmann is a joke candidate. But I think there are some fairly serious players in the GOP contest now.

Another great question. As of yet, I haven't really heard any serious combinations being formed. But I do think Romney is going to have to link up with a hardcore right winger in order to make it out of the primaries. Not to say that person would be his running mate, but he needs a bible thumping BFF about now.

This is something which I never understood about American politics. The nation prides itself on having religious freedom and actively does its level best to prosecute religion in schools and public places but at the same token, only really allows candidates with religious endorsement to run for the top office.
JFK was the only Catholic president and if a Muslim Candidate were to run for office, they'd be run out of town.

Romney is a Mormon and so probably won't be endorsed by the GOP in the end. Michele Bachmann is running anti-Perry ads. Rick Perry is a Methodist and an A+ endorsed candidate from the NRA, if anyone seems to be the most electable it would be him.

Then there was the never-ending malaise of incomprehension that is Sarah Palin who spoke in Iowa at the weekend...
5th September 2011, 07:41
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by Rollo

This is something which I never understood about American politics. The nation prides itself on having religious freedom and actively does its level best to prosecute religion in schools and public places but at the same token, only really allows candidates with religious endorsement to run for the top office.
JFK was the only Catholic president and if a Muslim Candidate were to run for office, they'd be run out of town.

Romney is a Mormon and so probably won't be endorsed by the GOP in the end. Michele Bachmann is running anti-Perry ads. Rick Perry is a Methodist and an A+ endorsed candidate from the NRA, if anyone seems to be the most electable it would be him.

Then there was the never-ending malaise of incomprehension that is Sarah Palin who spoke in Iowa at the weekend...

NRA endorsement means little to nothing, as the NRA has cut off its nose to spite its face concerning political matters in the past.
Perry has been a hypocrite in the past and I hope to God, he does not get it.
Using religion to get elected is pretty much one of the things Jesus had little time for when criticized the Jew leaders.
5th September 2011, 07:44
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by Dave B

I'm confused. Which one is the anti-abortionist, which one the climate-change denier, and which one believes in creationism? Or are they all interchangable idiots?

Most are anti-Federal Government controlled abortion, no one believes the climate is not changing, and anyone who is a Christian and does not believe in creation is a lying p.o.s.
5th September 2011, 07:46
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi

FO (foreign observer) questions for US citizens. Is Mitt Romney's faith likely to be a polarising factor for the swinging voter ? Would Rick Perry's NRA endorsement and Military service put him ahead of many candidates in the Southern States ? How important is the potential First Lady factor (i.e wife with the biggest mouth)?

What are the likely combinations Repub Pres/ Vice Pres candidates ? Any likelihood of 'something' unexpected ? A Romney/ Kain combo or Romney/ Santorum etc

Romeny's faith only matters to the talking heads on TV.
Military service puts him ahead in most states.
5th September 2011, 10:14
F1boat

From the outside, Romney looks most intelligent, but I fear that the Texan will win the primaries and the elections. It is like Bush, all over again.
5th September 2011, 11:29
Dave B

Turns out that each part of my "which is which" question could be answered by "Rick Perry":

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Most are anti-Federal Government controlled abortion

Perry's views on abortion are quite something, though:

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While many states have mandatory ultrasound laws, the Texas bill rushed into law by Perry goes many steps further. The law requires a woman seeking an abortion to endure an anti-choice lecture delivered by a doctor who doesn't agree with the content, which gave judge Sparks the chance to reject the law on freedom of speech grounds. But what's truly alarming about the law is the searing contempt for women's dignity and intelligence baked right into it.

Source: Rick Perry's demeaning abortion doctrine | Amanda Marcotte | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

no one believes the climate is not changing....

And yet Perry comes out with gems like this:

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But what really got people's attention was what he [Perry] said about climate change: "I think there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects. And I think we are seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change."

...The second part of Mr Perry's statement is, as it happens, just false: the scientific consensus about man-made global warming – which includes 97% to 98% of researchers in the field, according to the National Academy of Sciences – is getting stronger, not weaker, as the evidence for climate change just keeps mounting.

Source: The Republicans are now the anti-science party | Paul Krugman | Comment is free | The Observer

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

and anyone who is a Christian and does not believe in creation is a lying p.o.s.

I can just about understand why people still cling on to biblical fairy tales for comfort, but holding a view like the following should automatically disqualify one from office:

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Last year, Perry answered an interview question about evolution by saying, "I am a firm believer in Intelligent Design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution."

Source: Rick Perry's true ID: creationism in the classroom | Andrew Williams | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
5th September 2011, 13:45
markabilly

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Originally Posted by F1boat

From the outside, Romney looks most intelligent, but I fear that the Texan will win the primaries and the elections. It is like Bush, all over again.

Perry is not like Bush at all.

In comparison, Bush is compassionate, wants to do the right thing, self-sacrificing, unselfish, honest, incorruptible, intelligent and with the "negatives" of lacking a good tv personaliity and not always politically "wise".

Perry.........just the opposite. When it came to forcing young girls to undergo an unnecessary vacination program, Perry tried to mandate it because the money was right, and he has done similar stunts on other issues as well(see links above)

As to anti-abortion, well if the money for his pocket and the votes for him were there, he would have no problem making abortion not only legal, but mandatory. :eek:

Rule 1--Never let your principles get in the way of taking care of busines (i.e., putting money in your pocket) :D

But the abortion industry would have to pay some pretty hefty sums, much more than he gets from those "other sources"............................. :dozey:
5th September 2011, 13:49
Dave B

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Perry is not like Bush at all.
In comparison, Bush is compassionate, wants to do the right thing, self-sacrificing, unselfish, honest, incorruptible, intelligent and with the "negatives" of lacking a good tv personaliity
and not always politically "wise".

Perry.........just the opposite.

Jeez. You're honestly saying that Perry makes the man who started an unwinnable war (which cost tens of thousands of lives and nearly bankrupted his country) look compassionate and intelligent? Just how bad is he? :eek:

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