Is that confirmed with Skoda??? I heard that it will be with new Fabia,and the new one will only come out later in 2013 i think so probably only in 2014 we will have the rally car, is this correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Is that confirmed with Skoda??? I heard that it will be with new Fabia,and the new one will only come out later in 2013 i think so probably only in 2014 we will have the rally car, is this correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Is this really a good move for the sport? Adding yet another class structure to an already confusing number of classes and variations. The FIA need to really strip out and scrap a lot of classes and put forward a plan for the next five or ten years that makes everything clear. They just seem to be inventing classes depending on what different manufacturers request. The interest is obviously there from manufacturers which is brilliant for rallying.
The price of 100,000 or 170,000 euro's seems a little opimistic to me. Remember the old 100,000 euro price cap on the S1600 cars? That was unrealistic and that was many years ago. If I recall Renault were the main culprits. They would sell you a S1600 Clio for 100,000 euro and then if you wanted it to go fast and be able to use it on both tarmac and gravel then you needed to spend another 100,000 euro.
I hope the FIA and manufacturers can all agree on a way forward with this and attract new or returning manufacturers back into the sport. It is obvious that rallying is going down the production based route but we still need to make it exciting for both drivers and fans.
Not officially. Let's call it strong rumors :)Quote:
Originally Posted by polo10
This is FIAs main challenge , keeping the price down.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MES
This class has in my opinion the potential to be the real Regional Rally Car. The Mini SP and Fiesta RRC are way to expensive to buy and operate, close to WRC prices.
This class will take over for Gr N4 and S2000 NA, and will become THE class when it comes to number of cars sold.
This has to be done right by FIA listening to the driver community, and not only the manufacturers.
If they can keep it in the range of 100 000 Euro, and restrict development that pushes the price, that would be the best for the sport !
I hear what you are saying. Particularly WRC, 1.6T S2000 (I don't even know what they are oficially called?) and RRC being all virtually the same car got a bit messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MES
But this class I think is a good move. It is like a proper (and maybe cheaper) sucessor to S2000. The current RRCs just seem to be a stop-gap solution.
I just hope they are not too boring to watch like current N4 or two wheel drive turbo cars.
Fully agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
It should have been but I think it’s too late for that. The Mini and Fiesta again is mainly for WRC but gives the option also to be used in regional rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Agree. There will be a huge market for these cars whether Subaru or Mitsubishi will continue to homologate new N4 cars or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
100 000 € sounds too optimistic. I don’t know but I think a new complete Citroen DS3 R3T is about 100 000 €. My guess is between 140 000 – 180 000 € depending of the price for the 4WD kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
News on this class in GP Week page 20/21
Rally is going from a 10 tier to 5 tier class system
WRC
New R4T or whatever the name will be
R-GT
R3
R1 + R2
In my opinion this looks simple and logic, and almost too good to be true !
It also means that todays RRC and SP cars will die almost stillborn.
With all of the new classes that are coming out, I feel a bit confused... it's better if we have a more simple system like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Agree, but looking to other parts of carsport, it might have made more logical sense to call:Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
WRC = R1
R4T = R2
R3 = R3
R2 = R4
R1 = R5
+ R-GT
More resemblance to the racing world. Most people know that F1 is top dog, R1 could be the same in Rally.
But FIA still tries to match the old groups (A and N) and S2000 NA into these new classes. With two classes already reserved, 8 classes should be matched with 3 left.
“The challenge now is to consider cars homologated under old group A and N, including the old generation 2-litre S2000 cars, to ensure they can be fitted into the new categories while competitors still have them to use.”