Quesnel Vs Loeb

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Originally Posted by MJW

Whilst I have a small feeling of sympathy to Loeb on this, he must feel bad that (certain people) within Citroen seem to favour the new baby over the existing child, I feel that Loeb owes his 7 titles to the fact that Citroen gave him the very best package that may have existed in all times in WRC history. The Xsara, C4 and DS3 all look to be techically superior to the competition. Also except when he was the new kid with Carlos and Colin Loeb has enjoyed a clear number 1 status in the team. I am sure that the Loeb fans will argue but I am convinced Loeb wouldnt be talked about with the same admiration for his record had he spent time driving a Mitsubishi, Subaru, Ford, Suzuki or Skoda.

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No driver can be competitive in a bad car.

This is motorsport... there is no bigger half, it is always the combination of driver and machine. Loeb owes nothing to Citroen because he's been their best driver, but with what happened on Saturday it seems like Quesnel hasn't acknowledged that fact. For sure you can say that Loeb would not have dominated without Citroen, I agree with that. But the question is would Citroen have dominated without Loeb? Has there ever been another Citroen driver that could've done so?

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Loeb didnt say too much when Sordo had to defer to him. I would just love to see a Seb Loeb, Petter Solberg combination in VW. Loeb is clearly rattled that Ogier, in an equal car is faster than him.

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Maybe you're missing the point? Sordo was never going to win a world championship. He never ever beat any of Loeb's competition in the championship, whether it was Gronholm or Hirvonen.

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Also picking up on what others have said, its not news any more when Sebastien Loeb wins, maybe thats the logic in OQ's mind, also and I dont know how car sales in France work but could it be that the car buying demographic for the DS3 are better suited by a 20 something single guy rather than a mid thirties family man with Loeb?

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That's irrelevant. Quensel should be doing his job and try to win the championship.

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Originally Posted by Spencer

That's irrelevant. Quensel should be doing his job and try to win the championship.

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Thats the point,and Q is playing dangerously.
I had mention this inside problem at start of the year,it was clearly viewed from first rallies,even when Ogier hadn t been able to finish rallies while he was first with difference.
We are going to have a very interesting rally year with this situation.

Quesnel has strange voice. :D

autosport.com - WRC News: Loeb frustrated by team's tactics

Loeb actually drives around in a Citroen van.....

Sordo was consistent if not finishing 2nd most of the top at least doing bloody well. He wasn't able to win or given the chance because of Loeb.

I could see P. Solberg and Ogier in the 2012-13 Citroen WRT. Ogier number one driver of course... Loeb to retire or head to VW, highly doubtful on the second ;)

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Originally Posted by Spencer

You make it sound like Loeb is not Citroen's best bet for the world championship. Even now Loeb is the championship leader - where is Ogier? Behind Mikko.

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Olivier Quesnell things Ogier is a better bet for the championship for Citroen, because he favours Ogier over Loeb. Loeb is part of Citroen's rally history, Ogier is part of Citroen's rally future , at least from Quesnels point of view. Also more rallyfans are surprsed and excited for a Ogier win then for a predictable Loeb win.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

You forgot one word and that's BRAND. Citroen has brand and that's Seb.Loeb. When driver looses works drive, his brand starts to go down (P.Solberg lost some BIG sponsorships after subaru withdraw but he's still popular). Ogier must make his own brand if he wants to be BIG on marketing table. That's lesson about marketing.

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Before 1995 you could not associate many WRC champions with a particular manufacturer. Did something change in the marketing structure then, and was it a trend Subaru and Mitsubishi started?

So, everything comes together. Loeb leaves Citroen at the end of year, starts testing for VW, at the same time takes part in Le Manche 24 hour race with Audi and shows once again to Quensel how to drive a car, so that Quensel can leave in shame from Le Manche like he has done it in last years.. and Loeb comes back in 2013 and takes title for VW ;-)

Wilson played that game in 2009, they let JML win Rally Sardinia and then Hirvonen lost title by 1 point. Also they did not win in manufacturers that year. Dangerous game...

Loeb enters the French Superbike championship (under an alias Monsieur ______ ) on weekends that don't clash with LM events.