Sir Stirling Moss retires at last

Smart decision for a great legend like Moss. He has retired from motorsport at about the same age as Fangio did that (last time the Maestro drove an F1 car was around 1991, when he was 80).

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Originally Posted by Mark

So by your definition anyone at all who claims that Schumacher didn't win all 7 championships by anything other than pure skill somehow has a mental illness. Oh please!

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Thank you, Mark. It's offensive and erroneous.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Sir Stirling was very correct in what he stated re that race. But the point about the Shoe is that at both Benetton and Ferrari, his team mates were not allowed to race him, and the whole team (including development of the tyres) were driven around Schumacher.

No one is saying the Shoe is no good, just that he made his own luck in the terms he dictated to the teams he drove for prior to his retirement in 2006.

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That's exactly what made him so good though :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Thank you, Mark. It's offensive and erroneous.

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Too bad if you find it offensive.

The point about Spain 96 was there was nothing lucky about that win. It was down to driver skill and he demolished the entire field, just like he demolished them for pretty much all his career. It wasn't luck it was skill. And therein lies the contradiction, you can't say someone is brilliant on one hand and then come back and say they were lucky to achieve what they did on the other. Only someone brilliant could achieve 7 WDC's.

did he actually say he was lucky to win all 7, or did he say he was lucky to find himself in a team (which i acknowledge he was part of) that went through a period of unparalleled domination and reliability and at a time when there was perhaps a lack of a long term natural rival or consistency of quality at the top of the sport as we have today? and that perhaps he enjoyed some pretty good luck on the way to a few of his championships?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Too bad if you find it offensive.

The point about Spain 96 was there was nothing lucky about that win. It was down to driver skill and he demolished the entire field, just like he demolished them for pretty much all his career. It wasn't luck it was skill. And therein lies the contradiction, you can't say someone is brilliant on one hand and then come back and say they were lucky to achieve what they did on the other. Only someone brilliant could achieve 7 WDC's.

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Yes you can. There are lucky wins, and then there are wins that aren't down to luck. It can also be said that Schumacher was, perhaps, fortunate that in his era of domination the opposition he was up against wasn't as strong as the current crop.

Beyond that, you seem to have an undue problem with everyone whose every comment about your favourite driver isn't an undiluted paean of praise. Your attitude betrays a complete (and, if I may say so, rather juvenile) lack of knowledge and appreciation of history.

Oh, and your accusations of senility are offensive. There is no other way of describing them.

Ah, but if Shumacher, had to race Danica Patrick, would he stand a chance?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Anyone who said a 7 time WDC was lucky to win his championships is daft. He has lost a plot a bit in recent years especially with regards to Schuey. Maybe it's age though :)

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This is causing some upset.

Can you please tell us exactly what Moss said?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Lucid and coherent doesn't mean his perspective hasn't been touched with a dash of senility.

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The full term for senility is Senile Dementia, so lucid and coherent does mean his perspective has not been touched by a dash of senility.

It's a real shame that a thread marking Sir Stirling's retirement has been derailed by comments sadly reminiscent of a Max Mosley insult :dozey: