I think the thread title is a bit backwards. What do you suppose would happen in the Middle East if the US wasn't keeping Israel under it's thumb, you know let them do as they please?
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I think the thread title is a bit backwards. What do you suppose would happen in the Middle East if the US wasn't keeping Israel under it's thumb, you know let them do as they please?
Hmm, and what would that be? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Ever notice how even the puniest quarterback can act like a big man if his offensive line is made up of 300 pound gorillas?
Well. if the US gave the weaponry and other military aid it has given to Israel to all the enemies of Israel, and toss some nukes in (they did allow Israel to freely develop their nukes without interfering and likely actively helped too), we could try. With creating Israel, the US helped to create a monster, just like it helped to create the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime. By the nuke thing, I mean the US should assure Israel that if they use their nukes, it would be the last thing they do before the US turns Israel into a glass paved parking lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Please go away, do some research and look at these things to begin with:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The Balfour Declaration of 1917
Anglo-French Declaration of November 1918
The British Mandate for Palestine
Israel was not ostensibly created by the US as you want to make out.
I didn't say the US created Israel alone, I said they helped to create Israel. Totally different things. It's like the US didn't create the Soviet Union, but they helped it to survive when they gave weapons, food stuff, etc. to the Soviet Union in WW2. They also didn't create the Taliban or the Saddam Hussein regime alone, but they helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Yep the US (I assume you are calling us the offensive line in the analogy) helped out the Israelis with weapons and tech. Ok so what? Look at the '67 war. No outright US help and the Arab nations pretty well got their @sses handed to them. You don't think that if the US told Israel to "go for it" at this point, that something very simmilar would happen at the first sign of an aggressive action?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
You don't think that is in place today? That is exactly what I mean by the US has Israel under its thumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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Originally Posted by chuck34
So if not for us keeping them in check, "doing as they please" means they'd be running around starting wars? And if it didn't go as planned, guess whose kids would be headed to the Middle East... to die in yet another war that wouldn't/shouldn't concern us.
That is most certainly NOT in place. What is in place is a stated U.S. policy that any nuclear action AGAINST Israel will be considered a nuclear attack against the U.S. There is nothing that the U.S. has in place (that I'm aware of) that suggests the U.S., under ANY circumstances, would ever put Israel on the mat. Nothing whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
No the Israelis would not be running around starting wars, but the situations they find themselves would not be limited. Think '67 vs the last few "spats" they've been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
That would be part of "go for it", or "lifting the thumb", whatever you want to call it. The US would say "go for it", but don't expect us to help. Don't kid yourself, the support of the US military has always come with many strings attached. Do you really think that the Israelis are happy having rockets lobbed into their towns? You don't think they really want to reduce their enemies to rubble? They have the ability right? So what's been holding them back in the recent past, what's holding them back now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Yes the US policy is a nuclear attack on Israel is an attack on the US. That is not in dispute. However, do you really think that there aren't conversations about the Israelis "limiting" their response to certain situations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Basically the policy is "Be good boys, and do as we say. Or no more goodies for you"