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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Well Ben, there has to be trial but when you are seen by a couple hundred witnesses and tackled by some while you are shooting into the crowd, I think the worst District Attorney in the US could still get a conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
The BBC quote you had does sum up what is wrong with American politics right now. It is so heated and full of nonsense that when someone actually steps over the line and does something hideous like this, both sides have their people who try to say it is the fault of...well no, it isn't the fault of anyone but a sick man feeding off the negative energy of modern politics getting his mitts on a weapon and using it against someone who didn't deserve to be attacked in any way shape or form.
My point still remains, by trying to claim this guy is left motivated or right motivated, it clouds the reality. The guy was nuts.....that is my opinion yes Ben, but I think there is nothing I have read all day that tells me that his motives were anything but that of an anarchist, who oppose all order, left or right...
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
That is a question I openly thought about when some loon film maker had the movie "the Assassination of George W. Bush" out there..and I thought...ya...what if someone actually does, and it turns out he was from the American left? Oh boy...there are more than few people on the radical fringe that would have a hard time spinning that one, and it is no different if this loon was a regular Tea party leader and ate dinner at Sarah Palin's house last week. The fact is, thank god he was neither. He was acting on his own little agenda.....and the ******* will rot in jail for a long time if they don't actually find a way to put the death penalty on him.
I can't say this question bothers me for one moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
All very well and good — after all, one thinks of incidents in other countries, such as the courthouse shooting in Switzerland a few years ago — but it's quite a convenient get-out clause if it turns out the man was in some respect politically motivated, no matter what his mental state might be. There are, I might add, individuals considered to be in the American political and media mainstream whose mental state I would quite genuinely question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Open-season on moderate Congressional representatives.
I bet some Arizonans aren't too disturbed that this happened.
Hell, I bet some of them even believe it was divine intervention.
Giffords may be the first of many.
Some day this country is going to have to wake up to it's ridiculous obsession with guns and the wholly outdated constitutional right to bear arms. Until then we have to stomach these dreadful crimes, and wait for the next shooting. Some will even justify the right because of such incidents. Madness.
I don't think that this really has to do with the 2nd Amendment. Most Americans are responsible gun owners. What concerns me more is that this type of behavior will become socially acceptable. A loud mouth armchair expert is going to tell a bunch of TV watching zombies that the death of a politician is appropriate towards achieving their goal of a new America. The United States is on a knife edge of rage, despair, and total indiscretion for the well-being of their neighbors who have ideological differences. The rift is just getting wider and this may get ugly...Quote:
Originally Posted by shazbot
Most Americans are responsible guns owners. Most, not all - and there's the rub. As long as there are responsible gun owners there will be also be the irresponsible, and dangerous owners. The right to bear arms is as old as the hills and I believe has its roots in the English constitution as far as the USA is concerned. I can't help but feel that in 2011 it's a somewhat outdated ideal in a civilized society. Of course there will always be a way to get a weapon however tight the law, but why make it so easy?
This is a horrible event and I am sad for those involved. This really has no bearing on the right to bear arms. The islams have proved you don't need a gun. This is about the kooks living among us. There was probably no way to intercept this idiot as freedom of speech would allow his websites. Quite frankly they were not that bad, I have probably said worse.
With respect to gun ownership I think we need to get the country on the same page. Some poor guy got a 7 year sentence for buying a gun legally. We have many many foolish laws on the the books and we really need to address these situations.
This horrible event will probably end up restricting public people even further from their loyal followers. I understand this congresswoman for some reason had received many threats prior to this incident. Therefore prudent actions would and should have dictated security.
Unfortunately the world is going to have these events on a daily basis. Look at the horrible bombings all over the world. It is sad and someday I guess we can expect some kook to pull the big pin.